Boston Marathon Bombing

[Wasillaguy]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Was the last thing you want to do is turn him over to a military tribunal, their track record at Gitmo is pitifull. Old KSM is still alive and they keep delaying his trial for one stupid reason or another. Sorry but those guys are plain incompetent, try him in a civil court then hang him.

I'm not exactly confident in civilian court either, when the charges are "use of a WMD". If we get confirmation they were connected to Al Qaeda and they add on a treason charge, I'll be more comfortable. I'm sure they'll probably sentence him to death, but there's a lot of opposition to corporal punishment in this country. Where does it creep to? In another 20 years, they'll be letting people like this out on parole after 6-8 yrs.
In this case, given that the alpha subject is deceased, there's probably not that much to learn through enhanced interrogation. One day we may get a main player, but precedent toward civilian court will limit our options if he's a citizen.

[piece-itpete]

Edit: wow am I good at missing pages today!

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

I thought the 2nd amendment was doing a wonderful job of holding down crime here?

Apparently not.

As a matter of fact, the only reason I can see for needing it now, is the fact that we have so much gun related crime. We law abiding citizens need guns to protect ourselves from criminals who have guns that they stole or purchased from other law abiding gun owners.

Which looks alot like a spiral of sorts..................

Dave

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

Ok, well, the FBI says a mass murderer is someone who kills 4 or more during a particular event with no cooling off period. He don't qualify.
WMDs have more definitions than you can shake a stick at. In other words, it's used politically, when deemed advantageous.

Bingo! The lefties enjoy the name game. It continues to be effective because the populace is too dim witted to notice that a name reassignment doesn't change that which is named. They need to take a programming course. There is also the problem of setting precedents even if it is just a circuitice route to charge someone and can be justified in this case.

[Wasillaguy]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Ugly things: torture...if we not comfortable with it......there is rendition.

What will protect you if you get rid of all of your protection?

I'm looking, but I've yet to find anything saying they can torture.

I'm really having a hard time being concerned that I might be connected with a sworn enemy and therefore taken into military custody and tortured. I think the odds are extremely remote.
What now seems much more of a threat, is that these kind of people are being ushered in and given citizenship in very short order compared to others. Easy access to social programs gives them plenty of free time out of the public eye.
I've lost confidence that DHS, FBI, TSA, etc. has kept out the bad guys.
So, as far as giving up protections, I'm much more concerned about attempts to erode gun rights than I am about being tortured by the military.
Seems more likely I'd be tortured or killed by an extremist.

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Because it sets a precedent, Was.

I'm in agreement here. I suppose an argument might be made to strip his citizenship and then declare him a so-called enemy combatant, but there really is no need in this case because it is unlikely that he has any useful information. Even terrorists practice "need to know"

BTW, has anyone seen the Inspire magazine that motivated these individuals?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by bhunter

Bingo! The lefties enjoy the name game....

And the Right doesn't? Please. They have conniption fits if Obama doesn't label something as terrorism even before the smoke clears. Also, anything short of complete anarchy is deemed social!sm. Then there's "The Patriot Act" and other such cleverly named legislation.

Originally Posted by bhunter

BTW, has anyone seen the Inspire magazine that motivated these individuals?

I have. Pretty slick, glossy stuff for a bunch of goat herders.

http://publicintelligence.net/aqap-inspire-issue-10/

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by barbara

These guys made several bombs (at least three?) and all of them worked.

Is that just incredibly lucky if they had no hands on training?

Aren't home made bombs less reliable than that? Unless you've been trained to know how to put them together right?

Incredibly easy to both get the ingredients and build. The greatest difficulty is with the triggering. The Inspire recipe was specifically designed to be easy to build. BTW, the Oslo bomber's device was far more advanced and he had no formal energetic materials chemistry training.

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by barbara

So, that means the speculation that they could have read how to make the bombs on the Internet and were able to pull this off alone, without outside assistance or training, is reasonable?

That is true but they were Inspired by Inspire. Inspire speaks directly to the notion of small independent operatives waging an internal grassroot war. The tactical change was because of the difficulty of large scale attacks after the heightened security after 9/11. Large attacks require precursor chemicals in qualtities that are somewhat difficult to obtain without being suspicious. Primary explosive manufacture without a proper lab is not very safe and you need some minimal quantity to make your secondary detonate.

[Wasillaguy]

Originally Posted by bhunter

Incredibly easy to both get the ingredients and build. The greatest difficulty is with the triggering. The Inspire recipe was specifically designed to be easy to build. BTW, the Oslo bomber's device was far more advanced and he had no formal energetic materials chemistry training.

Agreed. In fact, many people on this board could build remote control bombs with no instructions at all. Could build one right into a vintage receiver easy as pie. The transformer, caps, bonnet, and silver face would all make effective shrapnel.

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by finnbow

And the Right doesn't? Please. They have conniption fits if Obama doesn't label something as terrorism even before the smoke clears. Also, anything short of complete anarchy is deemed social!sm. Then there's "The Patriot Act" and other such cleverly named legislation.



I have. Pretty slick, glossy stuff for a bunch of goat herders.

http://publicintelligence.net/aqap-inspire-issue-10/

I disliked the implicationa of the Patriot Act and dislike the names of both it and the DHS.

I also expected Inspire to be more like The Anarchist Cookbook and was surprised at how well it was produced.