Idiots

[Wasillaguy]

Originally Posted by bobabode

You guys are so predictable. It's always the end game of totalitarianism. Boo hoo, since those spooky liberals want to limit access to guns by crazy people and save a few lives? We will have deathcamps and the Black Stalinists raping our wimmen and enslaving our children? Don't you ever tire of these crazy fantasies? How many more gun murders are you OK with?

What the hell are you blathering about?

I was just asking, what are we gonna do with the crazies, lock 'em up or kill 'em?
Don't really see the point in going to all the trouble of figuring out who they are if we aren't going to then do something about it. I say we just eliminate them all, problem solved. Everyone remaining can enjoy their guns and everyone can feel safe.

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by bobabode

... and the Black Stalinists raping our wimmen and enslaving our children? ....

Why they gotta be black?





Pete

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

What the hell are you blathering about?

I was just asking, what are we gonna do with the crazies, lock 'em up or kill 'em?
Don't really see the point in going to all the trouble of figuring out who they are if we aren't going to then do something about it. I say we just eliminate them all, problem solved. Everyone remaining can enjoy their guns and everyone can feel safe.

Figures. Thanks for your candor. You're sounding just like those you profess to fear.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

John, with a little practice you can load a regular capacity clip into the gun before the empty hits the ground on quite a few 'normal' guns.

D, so you think when this happens again, there will be no new legislation, assuming the current batch passes?

The DNA mapping and pat downs are hardly discussed at all, although the former is promising and the latter actually worked.

Pete

Pete, I'm pretty familiar with these things, being a vet and all and working in counter-terrorism back in the '80s. I also know that, when considering counter-measures like an assault weapons ban or a hi-cap magazine ban, it's important to base your decisions on the capabilities of the average shooter, not the just the rarer expert.

John

[piece-itpete]

How much practice with the clips for even relatively fast changes? - not expert.

I'd argue that if you have enough mechanical ability to operate a gun, it wouldn't take long.

Pete

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

So once you've mapped out the DNA and you know everyone with a predisposition to go apeshit, what do you do with them? How do you keep them from harming people?
Are we going to lock 'em all up, or euthanize them, or what?

Send them, to Alaska.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

What the hell are you blathering about?

I was just asking, what are we gonna do with the crazies, lock 'em up or kill 'em?
Don't really see the point in going to all the trouble of figuring out who they are if we aren't going to then do something about it. I say we just eliminate them all, problem solved. Everyone remaining can enjoy their guns and everyone can feel safe.

Your question is so paranoid and hysterical and the answer so obvious that responding to it with anything resembling seriousness is a waste of time.

[finnbow]

The whole problem with the "don't sell guns to crazies" argument is that modern medicine understands most things from the neck down and nearly nothing from the neck up. I learned this cute quip from a friend who is a lead psychiatric researcher at NIH, the chief staff psychiatrist at Suburban Hospital in Bethesda, and a private practitioner who is both a licensed internist and psychiatrist. I don't think the killers at Columbine or Newtown had any formally diagnosed psychiatric conditions, whereas the killer at Virginia Tech did, but not enough to preclude his legal purchase of firearms.

Mental disorders are common in the United States and internationally. An estimated 26.2 percent of Americans ages 18 and older — about one in four adults — suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder in a given year. When applied to the 2004 U.S. Census residential population estimate for ages 18 and older, this figure translates to 57.7 million people.

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publi...ca/index.shtml

With unimpeded access to firearms, we probably have millions of Americans who own firearms and suffer from sort of mental illness and nothing other than impeding access to the most destructive of these types of firearms will do any good. The whole "lock up the crazies" argument is a red herring used to deflect attention from our pathetic gun laws.

[Wasillaguy]

Ok, so I want to make sure I got this right....
Getting rid of the guns is a great idea, because someone predisposed to violence might get a hold of one (even though we know there are many other methods for these nuts to kill lots of people).
But getting rid of the violent people is out of the question? We should spend a bunch of money and invade everyone's privacy to find out who they are, but then..... let the time bombs continue to walk around among us while we try to "fix" them with our wonderful mental health system?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

Ok, so I want to make sure I got this right....
Getting rid of the guns is a great idea, because someone predisposed to violence might get a hold of one (even though we know there are many other methods for these nuts to kill lots of people).
But getting rid of the violent people is out of the question? We should spend a bunch of money and invade everyone's privacy to find out who they are, but then..... let the time bombs continue to walk around among us while we try to "fix" them with our wonderful mental health system?

Read my post above, WG. In any given year, over 25% of Americans suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder. Some recover, some don't, and some don't suffer any such disorder when they purchase their AR-15 or Glock, but do later.