Benghazi attack - Terrorists or unruly crowd?

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Well waddya know? A CIA memo dated the day before Susan Rice's multiple press appearances support her story to the letter. Furthermore, congressional committees (including Issa's witch-hunt committee) had the same memo before they tried to pin some sort of duplicity charges against the administration.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...c_story_1.html

Shameless @ssholes.

I'd suspect there would be several possible scenarios analyzed and depicted in various CIA memos. Take your pick. I can't see how the administration cannot be culpable for the incident. There was no need for the "movie theory" to be floated for a week and a half. Notice how quick the administration called today's Lebanon bombing a terroist act.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by bhunter

I'd suspect there would be several possible scenarios analyzed and depicted in various CIA memos. Take your pick. I can't see how the administration cannot be culpable for the incident. There was no need for the "movie theory" to be floated for a week and a half. Notice how quick the administration called today's Lebanon bombing a terroist act.

So, you're saying the video had nothing to do with it?
As to comparing Benghazi to Beirut that's just silly, not to mention a fallacious argument.

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by bobabode

So, you think the movie had nothing to do with it? Eh, B.H.? So, now you are comparing a bombing in Beirut to a murderous attack on our consulate in Benghazi?

Yep, I think the movie had nothing to do with the attack and subsequents deaths in Benghazi. Furthermore, I think the Obama Administration knew it. The record is now clear that there was plenty of warning that it was getting dangerous in Benghazi all the way back to June. The repeated requests for more security was not only denied, but the security detail that was there was removed in August. That's the SST group headed by Lt. Col. Wood. There was no reason to push the movie theory, given the well known security risks in Libya, other than to deflect blame from the Obama Administration. The lack of security in itself is rather damning to the administration. Claiming they weren't cognizant about the security demonstrates nothing more than their abject incompetence. Communication lines were still functioning both to Tripoli and Washington IIRC. They would have been far better off stating directly that it was a terrorist attack, rather than, attempting a causal connection to the movie. And yes, the buck stops with the President, but Obama has a penchant to always pass blame to someone else.

[bobabode]

So, what makes you think the Al-answari group weren't incensed by the video and decided to attack after seeing the Cairo demonstration? After all according to an eyewitness that lives there & knows the people, that is exactly what happened.

[d-ray657]

Intelligence reports support what Ambassador Rice was saying. According to intelligence reports, there were some mixed motives for those involved in the attack on the consulate, but there are definite links to the video. One intelligence official commented that "opportunistic" might have been a better word than "spontaneous" to describe some of the participants, but that the attack was largely unplanned.

Regards,

D-Ray

[JBS...]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Utter bullshit mezzie, the lady testifying before Daryl Issa's witchhunt said she refused additional security (remember the goopers cut the appropriation). No reference was made to her asking the WH for an opinion.

But by all means let's not let the facts get in the way.

In testimony, Charlene Lamb, deputy assistant secretary of state for diplomatic security (the lady), was asked, “Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?”


Lamb responded, “No, sir.”

But by all means let's not let the facts get in the way.



Maybe we should be looking at this administration priorities on how and where they spend the money.


"In a May 3, 2012, email, the State Department denied a request by a group of Special Forces assigned to protect the U.S. embassy in Libya to continue their use of a DC- 3 airplane for security operations throughout the country. …

Four days later, on May 7, the State Department authorized the U.S. embassy in Vienna to purchase a $108,000 electric vehicle charging station for the embassy motor pool’s new Chevrolet Volts. The purchase was a part of the State Department’s “Energy Efficiency Sweep of Europe” initiative, which included hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars on green program expenditures at various U.S. Embassies.

In fact, at a May 10 gala held at the U.S. embassy in Vienna, the ambassador showcased his new Volts and other green investments as part of the U.S. government’s commitment to “climate change solutions.”

While the embassy in Vienna was going green, the consulate in Benghazi was getting bombed, and little was done to stop it.
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[finnbow]

Originally Posted by bhunter

Yep, I think the movie had nothing to do with the attack and subsequents deaths in Benghazi. Furthermore, I think the Obama Administration knew it.

I think you believing the above has more to do with wanting to support the GOP in finding something to undercut Obama's relative foreign policy strengths than it does on the facts as they were known at the time of Susan Rice's appearances.

I still find it odd that this whole kerfuffle is about the GOP demanding that anything and everything that happens overseas being labelled as terrorism. I think they're overcompensating for the stupidity of the "Global War on Terror" moniker.

[wgrr]

What is missing in this whole discussion is the request for more security was made for the embassy not the consulate.

The US can't go around Libya with a fifty man Marine light strike force convoy protecting the ambassador. If they had engaged the terrorist, and killed them, it then becomes an act of war. That is why the Libyans are responsible for security outside the embassy and the consulate.

Speaking of the consulate, why in the hell was the ambassador even there. He should have been in the embassy in a protected area not in what is basically a house with limited security. If he was so concerned about his safety then he sure made a bone head move and got himself killed. He should be nominated for a Darwin award.

One last thing, Issa and wonder boy Ryan both voted to cut funding for embassy security the Obama requested. No money: no extra security. The budget cutting sure looks great to the tbagger idiots, but it is now getting people killed.

Now the very same numb-nut Issa that caused the problem is demanding that the White House answer his snarky questions.

It is a terrible tragedy and to believe that the movie positively had nothing to do with it is naive. Maybe it didn't..I don't know and neither does anybody else until a thorough investigation is conducted.

This is an important issue, but it definitely not some kind of a conspiratorial cover up by the Obama administration. Obama clearly said in his speech about the attack that it was an act of terrorism. Both he and Crowley are correct and Romney is wrong.

Put some logic to it and you will realize that if it was a flash mob pissed off about the movie or an Al Qaeda cell that was pissed off about the movie both were acts of terrorism.

[JBS...]

Kool Aid drinker(s)

This mother Fu*king piece of dog chit got on a plane and went to a fund raiser right after the attack...

If that dosen't make you look at this objectively nothing will.

If this was "W".... oh never mind.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by JBS...

Kool Aid drinker(s)

This mother Fu*king piece of dog chit got on a plane and went to a fund raiser right after the attack...

If that dosen't make you look at this objectively nothing will.

If this was "W".... oh never mind.

Anyone who refers to anyone with the language you used above has relinquished any claim to objectivity.

By the way, "a plane" is Air Force One. It's a freaking flying White House, genius! Anything the President needed to know or needed to do could be handled right there.

And, "if this was 'W'" he would have flown all around the country, bouncing from one Air Force base to another, while someone changed his fucking diapers for him.

Dumbassed racist redneck teabagger(s)

John