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Originally Posted by finnbow

Yet another one of your "Don't confuse me with the facts" posts. These are some of the most esteemed historians and political scientists on the planet in the field of fascism and authoritarianism.

And the above is another one of your "I'm being an ass" posts. Their opinions are not relevant because you're misapplying them, as you often do. Here's and example:

Originally Posted by finnbow

Per the Oxford English Language Dictionary, Soci@lism is defined as "a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

By this definition, even the furthest left of Democrats (e.g., Bernie, AOC) are not soci@lists nor advocates of soci@lism.

Bullshit. First, Sanders is a self-described Democratic-Socializt. You'd split hairs by suggesting that Sanders doesn't define himself as a "so************************t", therefore he isn't one. Except that most folks don't see a nickel's worth of difference between those two terms. Whether Democratic-Socializt or garden-variety Socializt, they both have a central tenet the surrender of individual freedom.

And as far as AOC goes, she doesn't dispute she's a full-on Socializt. Frankly, listening to her talk about classisn and economics, she sounds like more like a Marxist.
https://www.dsausa.org/democratic-left/aoc/

So screw Oxford, because it doesn't seem to understand these two far leftists, and apparently neither do you.

Originally Posted by finnbow

As for the question of "are all on the political right fascist?" I most certainly have not said that. Folks like Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, Asa Hutchinson, Larry Hogan and Mitch McConnell are not fascist. OTOH, given Trump's obvious fascist proclivities, those who still support and defend him are either fascist, protofascist (Biden's "semi-fascist" moniker) or at least fascism-tolerant. If I had to attach a label to you, it would be the latter.

While you've not said it, others of your peers here certainly have. And if I had to attach a label to you, it would be "wrong".

Originally Posted by finnbow

Are you really ready to argue that extreme elements of the MAGA movement aren't at least semi-fascist? If so, you really need to study up a bit more on political science and history and eschew the wingnut news sources that obviously color your thinking. Meanwhile, you don't take issue with Trump calling democrats fascists. That is far more counterfactual than Biden calling extreme MAGAts "semi-fascist" (which happens to be objectively true, if uncomfortable to people like you).

PS - Did you see Tommy Tuberville defending white nationalism yesterday?

Tuberville is an idiot, who at worst didn't know the meaning of the term "white nationalist". He couldn't "defend" white nationalist because its obvious from what he said he has no clue what the term actually means.

Which is, I guess, the difference between you and me. You need to "label" and lie or distort what someone like Tuberville says because its your only means to succeeding in a debate like this. Look at what Tuberville actually says and then tell me if you think he's defending it, or if he's just clueless about it. Example:

Collins, however, pressed Tuberville again on whether he believes white nationalists should be able to serve in the U.S. military.

"If people think that a white nationalist is racist, I agree with that," Tuberville said.

"A white nationalist is someone who believes that the white race is superior to other races," Collins replied.

Tuberville took issue with her definition, saying it was just "some people's opinion."

"My opinion of a white nationalist — if somebody wants to call them a white nationalist — to me, is an American. It's an American," he said. "Now, if that white nationalist is a racist, I’m totally against anything that they want to do, because I am 110% against racism."

When I watch/reach this, it's obvious to me that he doesn't even know what the term "white nationalist" or "white nationalism" actually means. And he comes out looking like a fool. Is this an example of racism or fascism? Not hardly.

To your question: Are you really ready to argue that extreme elements of the MAGA movement aren't at least semi-fascist? Specifically who are these people that you're referring to? Let's take a few off the list, 'cuz I know you just reflexively hate them: Trump, Marjorie Taylor Greene, and probably Comer. So, who are these people and what have they done to earn your "semi-fascist" label (whatever that means)?