18 and Dead.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

I'd amend that to read "should be in a world of hurt".

But he won't because the police are both in full character assassination mode on Brown, and full whitewash mode on Wilson.

http://news.yahoo.com/photos-ferguso...021255893.html













I don't know which I need more.

Hip boots ot an airbag.

The commendations are a matter of record, not a whitewash. Browns own actions as documented in the vid and confirmed by his companion and the family lawyer attest to his character at the time of the encounter.
The family is shaming themselves with denials of the implications.

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[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

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I hadn't seen that so thanks.

Still doesn't take the cop off the hook.

He had no knowledge of the robbery when he shot Brown.

He was just hassling some kids for walking in the street, a pretty chickenshit thing at best and IMO a blatant case of racial profiling.

He'd been alerted to the robbery but not with a full description according to what I've read, the cigars Brown had with him alerted him to a possible link.
Then, what happened, happened.
Go to St Louis Post Dispach online for more info and a time line of events in depth.

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[donquixote99]

The fact that Brown had very recently participated in a strong arm robber makes it more likely that he was hostile, or non-compliant, or combative in some way with Wilson. This is the implication (singular) that I draw.

Are there others I am missing?

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

The fact that Brown had very recently participated in a strong arm robber makes it more likely that he was hostile, or non-compliant, or combative in some way with Wilson. This is the implication (singular) that I draw.

Are there others I am missing?

That's the point I'm getting. See prior post and link the latest article.

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[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

He'd been alerted to the robbery but not with a full description according to what I've read, the cigars Brown had with him alerted him to a possible link.
Then, what happened, happened.
Go to St Louis Post Dispach online for more info and a time line of events in depth.

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Is there now an event description that includes discovering cigars prior to the shooting? hadn't heard that claim before.

Is there a communicatios log that indicates Wison was informed specifically of cigars?

Just like to know where claims of fact come from....

On edit: excuse if this is coverred in your link, which I will look at now.
Second eidt: didn't actually find a link. I'm not 'demanding' a link in any case, but if you can tell me more it will be appreciated

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

He'd been alerted to the robbery but not with a full description according to what I've read, the cigars Brown had with him alerted him to a possible link.
Then, what happened, happened.
Go to St Louis Post Dispach online for more info and a time line of events in depth.

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I hadn't heard that. From what I've been reading the only reason he accosted them was for walking in the street.

If he had probable cause to suspect him for the robbery then I am OK with him stopping him.

But, we have several eyewitnesses that state that he both shot Brown in the back, and then again multiple times after Brown had stopped and put his hands up. Plus we have Brown getting shot 35 feet away fro m the cruiser.

There is no way I let him off the hook for that.

[icenine]

If he was white would he have been shot in the back like that?

That is the crux of the whole issue. I am sure a white guy might have gotten shot like that if he indeed did try to disarm the policeman. But we do not have the official police account of the officers actions yet. Maybe there is none.

I was in military for 20 years commendations are just window dressing for the most part.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by icenine

There is nothing ideological about it. We have not been presented with the official version and the ballistic report. If it showed that Wilson acted correctly (and maybe he did) then why not release all the information.

Probably because ballistic reports, autopsies and toxicology reports take time to complete.

[mpholland]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Probably because ballistic reports, autopsies and toxicology reports take time to complete.

Funny the stuff you don't realize when you are on the outside. Been almost a month since my kid got stabbed to death. We really don't know much still. They have a guy in custody, but have to rely on a lot of forensic evidence to make a case. On CSI they seem to get it done in a day or two. We are looking at possibly 6 to 8 months to be able to make a case. People get perturbed that they can't go to the internet and get all their questions answered immediately, so they make up plausible scenarios. Others take these plausible scenarios as gospel and start to run with them. Really people, facts take time to sort through. There were at least 22 witnesses to my sons murder. You would think it would be pretty open and shut. Well, that was 22 people, many of whom had been drinking, and others that were some distance away. It was around midnight and dark. That means that the police got 22 stories, all varying to some degree, but all had some similarities. Now the police have to take into account all of those stories and try and put together what really happened. Then they have to try and prove it. How many times does a witness get interviewed? Does their story stay the same each time? There are many factors in determining whether a witness can be credible or not. Any idea what good defense attorneys do to cases that aren't airtight? I am really tired of people not understanding how much effort police and prosecutors have to put into a case. Life isn't the way it is portrayed on TV folks. These high profile cases are even more difficult.

[icenine]

they know how many rounds were fired they have not released that yet.

Toxicology is irrelevant as it pertains to Brown he if was indeed executed in the street.

They have the official police reports...they were cited in the report that documents the robbery. Like I said before they are not releasing those reports for some reason.