18 and Dead.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by finnbow

That's been my position from the get-go (and still is). I was never laboring under the impression that the kid was a saint, nor that the cop was a bad cop. For whatever reason, this incident has been used by many to confirm their own biases.

My intent was not to suggest that you, specifically had done so, Finn. Nor did I, nor did Zeke. I purposefully exclude 5 below and the other usual suspects who take their typical bonehead con positions on such things. I find that in this instance, most of the lefty's hereabouts have simply placed themselves on the other side of the same rigid ideological coin.

My point was that those who have challenged the prevailing attitude hereabouts have taken considerable heat for it. And now...now where there's a suggestion that all was not right with this kid...all of a sudden our progressive brethren who needed absolutely no additional evidence to support their "racist cops murder child" frothing...now they need "additional evidence."

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

If Brown had just strong-armed a store out of merch one might assume he wasn't up to a civil interchange with a LEO and would blindside him to evade apprehension.

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Although reprehensible the strong arm robbery does not come with the death penalty. If it comes out that there was no struggle for the weapon and Wilson did not know he was a suspect in the robbery then that officer is in a world of hurt.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by icenine

Although reprehensible the strong arm robbery does not come with the death penalty. If it comes out that there was no struggle for the weapon and Wilson did not know he was a suspect in the robbery then that officer is in a world of hurt.

Not knowing would also had made him subject to ambush by Brown to evade, and likewise he's got instant trouble. The immediate aftermath will be subject to investigation and the community relations to review.

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[icenine]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

My intent was not to suggest that you, specifically had done so, Finn. Nor did I, nor did Zeke. I purposefully exclude 5 below and the other usual suspects who take their typical bonehead con positions on such things. I find that in this instance, most of the lefty's hereabouts have simply placed themselves on the other side of the same rigid ideological coin.

My point was that those who have challenged the prevailing attitude hereabouts have taken considerable heat for it. And now...now where there's a suggestion that all was not right with this kid...all of a sudden our progressive brethren who needed absolutely no additional evidence to support their "racist cops murder child" frothing...now they need "additional evidence."

There is nothing ideological about it. We have not been presented with the official version and the ballistic report. If it showed that Wilson acted correctly (and maybe he did) then why not release all the information.

[Pio1980]

What pains me is witnessing the struggle of the truly innocent trying to improve their situation and community being victimized by fellow residents and outsiders with their lawless attitude to civil society. Too many times folks making a contribution and a difference in these communities become collateral damage in petty turf battles and extortion schemes, and this is a loss worthy of mourning.

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[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by icenine

If it comes out that there was no struggle for the weapon and Wilson did not know he was a suspect in the robbery then that officer is in a world of hurt.

I'd amend that to read "should be in a world of hurt".

But he won't because the police are both in full character assassination mode on Brown, and full whitewash mode on Wilson.

http://news.yahoo.com/photos-ferguso...021255893.html

FERGUSON, Mo. — Six months before he shot and killed an unarmed teenager, police Officer Darren Wilson earned a commendation for his “extraordinary effort in the line of duty.”

“Very proud of my son, Darren Wilson on his receiving a Commendation from his Police Department,” John Wilson wrote on February 11. “Congratulations Son.”

“Dear FB friends, Our family is in need for prayers to be sent up for a family member,” John Wilson wrote. “Circumstances do not allow for us to say anything further. Please pray with our family in mind. Put a covering of protection over our family member please.”

On Friday, Chief Jackson told reporters that the young officer was taking the death of 18-year-old Michael Brown very hard.

“He never intended for any of this to happen,” Jackson said. “It’s devastating, absolutely devastating.”

Jackson said Wilson has no history of disciplinary action and described him as a “gentle man” and a “quiet officer.”

I don't know which I need more.

Hip boots ot an airbag.

[nailer]

It's a lot easier to use evidence to support a story than to use evidence to reconstruct an actual event.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

I must say I find it interesting that after 60 pages of "innocent black kid who did nothing murdered by white cop" posts...now a video sows up of the kid allegedly committing a theft and manhandling the store clerk which probably makes it a felony robbery and all of a sudden we need "more evidence" before we can form an opinion about it. On this forum and of course amongst the political activists and family attorney in Ferguson, MO.

You talking to me?

My position has always been that it looked like "innocent black kid who did nothing murdered by white cop" was a POSSIBLE true description.* I've been arguing with those who were quite certain this description, or anything else besides "good shoot," could be dismissed out-of-hand. And further argument has been over claims of extremely wide freedom of action for police officers, that seemed to include "He's getting shot" as a commandment from God or something.

And if you don't find some odor of 'defense by character assassination' in the announcement of the robbery evidence, for the first time, at the same time as the disclosure of the identity of the officer who shot Brown, your nose may not be working at it's best.


* there are other possibilities as well, besides "good shoot.'

[icenine]

If the officer is indicted and goes to trial I think there will be such a controversy over venue and jury selection that it will be a circus....I think the trial would be fair in the end if it came to that.

The question is who are the cops' peers? The people he serves and protects or his neighbors in the other city he lives in.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

I'd amend that to read "should be in a world of hurt".

But he won't because the police are both in full character assassination mode on Brown, and full whitewash mode on Wilson.

http://news.yahoo.com/photos-ferguso...021255893.html













I don't know which I need more.

Hip boots ot an airbag.

Your quotes show a good cop, the vidieo shows a bad individual with a metality he can just take other peoples things. Then he felt he was going to get busted and attacked a cop and got killed over it.

End of story