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10-03-2012, 05:01 PM
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Given the GOP's racist proclivities and tactics (e.g., the Southern Strategy, Willie Horton ...), Obama and the Dems would be guilty of political malpractice if they didn't highlight it.
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The Southern Strategy racial connection no longer seems relevant. Perhaps, there are other reasons for the South turning towards the GOP just as there might be something other than perceived racism that turned the black voter away from the GOP. An obvious reason would be the rise of Christian Fundamentalism during the seventies coupled with the democratic appetite for secularization of public, or at least open political, life. Whether or not this was good doesn't negate that there was an interaction between the two. On the other front, a succession of democratic congresses continued to create more and more programs to help the poor. Sadly, a high percentage of blacks were in the group benefitting from these programs. The dynamic here in California with our large hispanic population may shed some light on the matter in the near future. My point is that there is more going on than some nefarious racist plot perpetrated by republicans 30-40 years ago.
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10-03-2012, 05:05 PM
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My point is that there is more going on than some nefarious racist plot perpetrated by republicans 30-40 years ago.
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Perhaps, but the ill feelings about such tactics doesn't just evaporate. The GOP is reaping what they sow with blacks, Hispanics, gays and women.
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10-03-2012, 05:06 PM
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Maybe he drives the AlCan to go to the bank....
.... to cash the check he gets each year for "his" oil.
Soci@list!
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The soshulists are in the states that turn over all their natural resources royalties to the government, for the "common good".
Would have happened here too, except we somehow accidentally got a decent governor one time, named Jay Hammond. Jay understood that government has an insatiable appetite for money and would piss away every dime in short order if allowed. He took a literal translation of our state constitution where it says the natural resources are the property of the citizens, and pushed the legislation that resulted in a tiny fraction of one percent of the state royalties being put into a fund for the citizens to decide how best to make use of.
Dividing up the spoils equally is not soshulism. The government sucking it all up, then handing it out "according to need", as they see fit, is soshulism.
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10-03-2012, 05:18 PM
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Maybe this all doesn't matter to you, I don't know? For all I know you are one of the lucky ones who has found a way to make a million bucks a year? If so, good for you, dude! Good job and an attaboy for ya! Just keep in mind that the infrastructure and educated workforce at your disposal that allows you your success isn't something that you built all by yourself. Many a taxpayer and grunt working stiff are the ones who built those things such as roads ,bridges, water supplies, waste treatment systems, railroads and on and on and on...check out the history of the AlCan Hwy before you drive on it next time. Eh?
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Were the "working stiffs" not compensated for their work at going market rates? Of course, the problem is when a better educated workforce and infrastructure is just a short hop across the ocean. Remember, in a global economy there are choices. Now, if you propose a closed economy, the outcome will be a net negative with respect to an open economy; that is, free trade is by definition beneficial.
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10-03-2012, 05:24 PM
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An obvious reason would be the rise of Christian Fundamentalism during the seventies coupled with the democratic appetite for secularization of public, or at least open political, life. Whether or not this was good doesn't negate that there was an interaction between the two.
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Sure was a whole lot of God Bless America goin' on at the DNC. Mebbe you're right, we godless Democrats are just pandering to the few Christians left who aren't wingnut Talibangelists. Don't you get sick of the mischaracterizing the Democrats obvious distaste of overt religious influence in government as some sort of attack on Christmas? I sure am. Yes the atheists are aligned with the Democratic party. Does any minority constituent guide your party?
Ooops, better scratch that... I just remembered that the extremists actually have taken over the Republican party. My condolences, dude.  Maybe the circular firing squad will take care of that after Romney loses. In the midterms two years from now the Repubs will have another chance to clean house of this Tea pox that is plagueing them. If they wake the F**K UP! 
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10-03-2012, 05:26 PM
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The soshulists are in the states that turn over all their natural resources royalties to the government, for the "common good".
Would have happened here too, except we somehow accidentally got a decent governor one time, named Jay Hammond. Jay understood that government has an insatiable appetite for money and would piss away every dime in short order if allowed. He took a literal translation of our state constitution where it says the natural resources are the property of the citizens, and pushed the legislation that resulted in a tiny fraction of one percent of the state royalties being put into a fund for the citizens to decide how best to make use of.
Dividing up the spoils equally is not soshulism. The government sucking it all up, then handing it out "according to need", as they see fit, is soshulism.
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10-03-2012, 05:29 PM
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Were the "working stiffs" not compensated for their work at going market rates? Of course, the problem is when a better educated workforce and infrastructure is just a short hop across the ocean. Remember, in a global economy there are choices. Now, if you propose a closed economy, the outcome will be a net negative with respect to an open economy; that is, free trade is by definition beneficial.
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Is that what they call a pivot? Sure looks like one to me...
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10-03-2012, 05:30 PM
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Nope. He's relating to his base, something Romney seems incapable of doing (other than to the callous rich).
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Really....
Why would an educated person want to speak to a crowd in ebonics and spew hate just to prove he cares about them and feels a connection to them?
You can have compassion without trying to pretend to be like them. To speak with hate promotes hate...
You on the left that cling to your Spelling Bee Trophies or Degree should be outraged...
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10-03-2012, 06:12 PM
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Really....
Why would an educated person want to speak to a crowd in ebonics
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First of all, he didn't speak in "ebonics". Second, he's from that culture. He spoke to the audience in a way that's natural b oth to him and to them. You teabaggers ought to be more upset when he "fakes being white". Frankly, I think you actually are but you view the obverse as somehow more acceptable to the mainstream. It isn't.
What hate? What did he say that expressed hatred? Of anyone?
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just to prove he cares about them and feels a connection to them?
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He does care about them. Frankly, so should you.
So, he "expressed hatred" to establish a "connection to them"? He was talking to a conference of black clergymen. Doesn't get much more hateful than that, does it?
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You can have compassion without trying to pretend to be like them.
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In what way is he not like them? They're Americans. Is the President not American? (Yes, I know. Kenyan soci@list Muslim.) They're Christians. Is the President not a Christian? They're black. Is the President not black?
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To speak with hate promotes hate...
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Again, where was the "hate"? Your obvious preoccupation with hate in a speech devoid of it strongly suggests that the only hatred is coming from you. Whom do you hate? The President? Ministers? Black people? All of the above?
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You on the left that cling to your Spelling Bee Trophies or Degree should be outraged...
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You on the right don't value academic accomplishment? Santorum certainly thinks you don't - and you shouldn't, calling anyone who does a "snob" and, by characterizing the left as "the smart ones" clearly believes that you are not. Apparently, ignorance and stupidity are virtues in your world. (I've long suspected as much so it was gratifying to have Santorum confirm it for me.)
John
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10-03-2012, 06:16 PM
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First of all, he didn't speak in "ebonics". Second, he's from that culture. He spoke to the audience in a way that's natural b oth to him and to them. You teabaggers ought to be more upset when he "fakes being white". Frankly, I think you actually are but you view the obverse as somehow more acceptable to the mainstream. It isn't.
What hate? What did he say that expressed hatred? Of anyone?
He does care about them. Frankly, so should you.
So, he "expressed hatred" to establish a "connection to them"? He was talking to a conference of black clergymen. Doesn't get much more hateful than that, does it?
In what way is he not like them? They're Americans. Is the President not American? (Yes, I know. Kenyan soci@list Muslim.) They're Christians. Is the President not a Christian? They're black. Is the President not black?
Again, where was the "hate"? Your obvious preoccupation with hate in a speech devoid of it strongly suggests that the only hatred is coming from you. Whom do you hate? The President? Ministers? Black people? All of the above?
You on the right don't value academic accomplishment? Santorum certainly thinks you don't - and you shouldn't, calling anyone who does a "snob" and, by characterizing the left as "the smart ones" clearly believes that you are not. Apparently, ignorance and stupidity are virtues in your world. (I've long suspected as much so it was gratifying to have Santorum confirm it for me.)
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you articulated everything I wanted to say but I didn't have the patience to type it all out on my phone.
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