Global Warming?

[bobabode]

Is that your's Pete? That's one cool ride. Gol dang leftys baggin' on HDs need to be dragged behind one for a mile or two! Eh?

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Other bikes WISH they were Harleys.

That's an Indian.

John

[piece-itpete]

I wish!!!

Though if I ever win the lottery and buy one of these clunkers I'd probably get a full dresser.

Pete

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by Boreas

That's an Indian.

John

D'oh! :hdsmack:

Although there's plenty of beautiful Harleys....

Pete

[Rex E.]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Well, then so be it, Rex. If we base what we can do in this regard, on whether or not the least fortunate among us can afford it, how far will we get?

So, we find a low cost way to accomodate the poor folk, I guess. I'm not suggesting anything extreme....I'm certainly not going to advocate buying them cars. But, perhaps this is where better public transportation comes in? I dunno.

The point is, this is another thing that needs rational discussion. Not one side trying to buy them Escalades and the other refusing to do anything.

See what I'm sayin'?

Dave

I get ya Dave, I was just putting it out there as a couple of easy examples as you said you didn't see it.

From what I'm told most of the country could not even afford to get a birth certificate. How the hell could they afford to smog their vehicles let alone fix them..........?

I'm all for that public transportation. Who's gonna build all that new housing that's in it's range? Who's gonna mandate that everyone has to move from where they are into said housing? Who's gonna make a 100% guarantee it's gonna be on time every time? Remember, most employers ask if you have your own, reliable transportation to and from work. The bus generally means you don't get a job..........

Lots to think about when discussing this very important topic.

[bobabode]

Hi Rex, I agree that some rational and honest prioritizing needs to be done and all this polarization just makes most everything seem impossible to even get out of the blocks. Running in place isn't the same as running backwards or a kick in the gut as Romney says it is. Not by a long shot.

From a Democrats viewpoint it's always the same crap from the right (whoever that really is, these days?) Demand cuts and compromises and when that is put on the table the right sees it as weakness and promptly goes for the jugular or comes at the unions with a stake and a mallet. Who wants to play poker with a doubledealing card sharp who can't seem to not deal off the bottom of the deck?

This canard about illegal voters has been refuted so many times that it's ridiculous. It is nothing more than a disengenuous attempt to carry elections in closely contested states by knocking out the voters with little means to jump through the endless hoops put in front of them. Hand to mouth folks don't have the time or energy to keep doing it, it is that simple. The timing is also a sure indication that it's just more dirty tricks by the so-called righties.

Now we have the worst of politcal worlds with unaccountable funding going into most, if not all of these races. If anyone thinks spending by these huge donors doesn't buy elections they need a fifth grade math class do over. When individual contributions are limited to a few grand and public knowledge you have fair elections. To have virtually unlimited dirty pools of funds to change the voters minds is an anathema to what we as Americans have always considered the shining example up on the hill for us and also to be held up to the rest of the world as the right way to take care of their citizens freedom.

No matter what anyone wants to think the confidence of the world rests on our shoulders. Sounds arrogant? Tough. That's the way it has been since WW2. It's a burden and also a delight when some oligarchal system falls and is replaced by a representational democracy. (or call it a republic if that sounds better in some ears, it's the same thing- one citizen one vote in fair elections, it is that simple.)

I guess being a kid in the Kennedy/LBJ generation colors my perception a bit but who wants to see the light go out of our friends eyes who desperately need an example to strive for? Think about it, the goose that laid the golden egg is turning into louse ridden drunken cannibal eating it's middle class. That is really not an example to aspire to. I can't imagine the dismay and sadness that our friends and supporters all over the world are experiencing at the evaporation of the ideals we and they have paid for in blood and struggle.


Sorry for the long post but all this Hatfield and McCoys crap needs to be put into perspective. We are Americans first all of the rest is shit to be hammered out at the bargaining table, honestly. There isn't anything wrong with capitalism as practiced by honest citizens. To let a thing into our electoral processes that has no morals or memory is plain wrong. How can any honest citizen believe otherwise? Again sorry for the long post.

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Anything we do here is a stopgap measure and disproportionally effects the poor.

Pete

True because of the expenses but there is always a way.

The poor and lower middle class pollute less. The more affluent one is the more they contribute to the problem. This country is more to blame then a country like Haiti. So we should be a leader not just the bad neighbor making the mess for an other to clean up.

So it should be that the more affluent you are the more you should contribute to the problem. Face it this mess will need to be cleaned up. If not now soon. The faster is is address the easier it will be.

People fought recycling when it first started but now it is a big business and growing. The same will be in alternative energy once it is given a chance.




Barney

[HatchetJack]

I'm probably more green than most lefters who "feel" so strongly about this nonsense.
I save my beer cans and I dry clothes on a clothes line when the weather is nice.
I grow a garden every year and I buy used stuff at thrifts whenever possible.
I try to take a deer or two every fall and I catch fish rather than buy them.
I cut my grass every 3-4 weeks instead of weekly. I have an infrared glo
heater I use in the winter rather than run the heat pump. It's way more
effecient and cost less. I brew my own beer rather than buy something off
the shelf that came over on a boat. I make my own coffee rather than slide
up to the window at starbucks driving a new prius with an Obama bumper sticker.
Yeah those same people who think they are saving the world or some shit by shopping
at whole foods.

[bobabode]

Ford Ranger here Jack. Never been into a Whole foods. If I got my hands on a Prius I would modify that sucker into a pick up. Calif. has a hefty recycle deposit on bottles and cans. If those helos would stop peering into my back patio I would rototill that little patch and have me a vegetable garden too. Grind up beans and make my own coffee too.

[HatchetJack]

2000 Ford Taurus here, filled up @ 2.97 for 32 bucks today. Not my first
choice but I bought it off a friend for cheap a few years back. It's a good
work car and nice kid taxi.