Check Out the Scumbag Dem's In WI

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Combwork

Same thing happens in the UK. To avoid public anger over high bonus payments, senior managers can by laid off them hired back with a different title at a higher pay rate, usually the equivalent of their old basic rate with the bonus added in monthly installments. Clever. A wage rise that isn't seen to be a wage rise.

But of course this never happens in the private sector.

No they just give them the obscene bonus, and sometimes with the taxpayer's money too.

[merrylander]

Found it, look in E.J. Dionne's first part

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...PmjpfYnKHDn7vw

So Walker and the heffalumps make tax cuts and then say "Oh dear, there is a budget shortfall", some people have absolutely no shame.

[whell]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Found it, look in E.J. Dionne's first part

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...PmjpfYnKHDn7vw

So Walker and the heffalumps make tax cuts and then say "Oh dear, there is a budget shortfall", some people have absolutely no shame.

They incoming administration inherited a structural deficit, an unbalanced budget, and expired union contracts. As Mr. Emmanuel once said, to paraphrase, every crisis creates an opportunity.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by whell

They incoming administration inherited a structural deficit, an unbalanced budget, and expired union contracts. As Mr. Emmanuel once said, to paraphrase, every crisis creates an opportunity.

So in the face of all that they still made tax cuts? Brilliant!

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Danimal

There is NO God given "right" to collectively bargain. Why do people keep calling it a "right." People are acting like Walker is stripping them of their "right" to free speech.

Well, isn't that basically what it is? Wouldn't forming a union amount to forming a citizens group (Assembly) to "petition the government for redress of grievences"? First Amendment rights could very well be at issue here.

Hmmmm, time to do some research. Thanks, now I have a little project for the weekend. Maybe d-Ray can help shed some light on this?

Dave

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Well, isn't that basically what it is? Wouldn't forming a union amount to forming a citizens group (Assembly) to "petition the government for redress of grievences"? First Amendment rights could very well be at issue here.

Hmmmm, time to do some research. Thanks, now I have a little project for the weekend. Maybe d-Ray can help shed some light on this?

Dave

only corporations are like individuals under the law

you should know this dave

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Well, isn't that basically what it is? Wouldn't forming a union amount to forming a citizens group (Assembly) to "petition the government for redress of grievences"? First Amendment rights could very well be at issue here.

Hmmmm, time to do some research. Thanks, now I have a little project for the weekend. Maybe d-Ray can help shed some light on this?

Dave

You hit that nail on the head Blue. As the court said in Hanover Federation of Teachers v. Hanover Community School Corp., 457 F.2d 456 (7th Cir. 1972)

The First Amendment protects the right to advocate, either individually or through an association, and also the association's right to engage in advocacy on behalf of its members.

The state of Wisconsin has also spoken of collective bargaining as a right:

(2) Rights of municipal employees. Municipal employees shall have the right of self-organization, and the right to form, join or assist labor organizations, to bargain collectively through representatives of their own choosing, and to engage in lawful, concerted activities for the purpose of collective bargaining or other mutual aid or protection

Wisc. Stat. § 111.70

So yes, it is fair to say that the governor is attempting to trample on the rights of public employees.

I spoke in an earlier post that, in Missouri, the public body is not required to accept the proposals of a union, and may enact a law that is contrary to the proposals made by the union. It appears that such is the case in Wisconsin too. The governor could get the contributions he and the secretary deem necessary under the law as it stands. This attempt to crush the unions is a completely unnecessary abuse of power.

Regards,

D-Ray

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

You hit that nail on the head Blue. As the court said in Hanover Federation of Teachers v. Hanover Community School Corp., 457 F.2d 456 (7th Cir. 1972)



The state of Wisconsin has also spoken of collective bargaining as a right:



So yes, it is fair to say that the governor is attempting to trample on the rights of public employees.

I spoke in an earlier post that, in Missouri, the public body is not required to accept the proposals of a union, and may enact a law that is contrary to the proposals made by the union. It appears that such is the case in Wisconsin too. The governor could get the contributions he and the secretary deem necessary under the law as it stands. This attempt to crush the unions is a completely unnecessary abuse of power.

Regards,

D-Ray

That's pretty much what I thought. Seeing as how the labor movenment in the U.S. is well over 100 years old, if unions had been unconstitutional then there would already be precedence. And, I see that there is.

Thanks, Don.

And, I will continue to look into this myself because the discussion has piqued my interest.

[BlueStreak]

Oh, and I am certain we will see more egregious abuses of power in the near future as the right blatantly uses the unfortunate economic situation to advance their anti-American working class agenda.

I try to find consolation in knowing they are kicking me in the face for my own good.......So far it's not working.

Dave

[whell]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

The state of Wisconsin has also spoken of collective bargaining as a right:


So yes, it is fair to say that the governor is attempting to trample on the rights of public employees.

How so? The state government can change the law in accordance with the terms of the state constitution. That's what's happening here, if the Dems ever decide to show back up for work, that is. The machinery of government is working as designed.

It is also suggested that the union folks are not exactly acting in good faith either. Gov't contracts often prohibit strikes, and almost all prohibit work slow-downs or stoppages. I don't know if that's the case with Wisc contracts, but I'd be surprised if the contact failed to address stoppages/slow-downs. The union is apparently staging a sick out, which can be construed as a slow-down or stoppage.

http://maciverinstitute.com/2011/02/...v-union-rally/

The employer has rights too. PATCO comes to mind.