Obama is coming for your guns!

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

I think she's cute, so she can have my gun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kU0XCVey_U

She is cute in a matronly schoolteacher sorta way. I saw some photos of young Liz and I'll tell ya...I was such a nerd in HS that if a girl like that would have given me a second look I would have been all over it.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by matteos

Whether you think the second amendment has been interpreted incorrectly and does not follow the intentions of the founding fathers (Your opinion, fine.) The fact is, that in law it is interpreted to support personal defense.

And when the SCOTUS is reconfigured after another 8 years of Democrat control of the Oval Office and it finds that the intent of the founders was not what has ended up being the democratized gun carnage we have in this country...you'll be pissing and moaning about an activist court. When all that's changed is that it's shifted to a progressively activist court from a conservatively activist court.

Regarding what is and is not "tyranny"...seems to me we live in a democracy, which when it comes down to it is nothing more than the tyranny of the majority. And with the electorate we have, it's all too often the tyranny of the of the intellectually lazy-ass, ignorant majority.

[matteos]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

And when the SCOTUS is reconfigured after another 8 years of Democrat control of the Oval Office and it finds that the intent of the founders was not what has ended up being the democratized gun carnage we have in this country...you'll be pissing and moaning about an activist court. When all that's changed is that it's shifted to a progressively activist court from a conservatively activist court.

Regarding what is and is not "tyranny"...seems to me we live in a democracy, which when it comes down to it is nothing more than the tyranny of the majority. And with the electorate we have, it's all too often the tyranny of the of the intellectually lazy-ass, ignorant majority.

They're not going to do that. They'll nickel and dime certain styles of guns away to appease folk like you. Like they do with rifles that "look like assault weapons", now the "armor piercing ammo". No matter a semi automatic rifle that can be used for hunting does exactly the same.

What makes you think the Democrats will hold office for another 8 years? I hope they do, but I'm not so sure they will.

[matteos]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Then I suggest that you find a copy of Madison's Notes on the Debates in The Federal Convention of 1787, although I believe it may be out of print. Given the discussion concerning militia and the perceived need for one the 2nd has been misinterpreted since day one.

If it's been misrepresented from day 1...

Has it really been misrepresented?

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Then I suggest that you find a copy of Madison's Notes on the Debates in The Federal Convention of 1787, although I believe it may be out of print. Given the discussion concerning militia and the perceived need for one the 2nd has been misinterpreted since day one.

The Notes are available at several online sites. Here's one: http://context.montpelier.org/document/178

Searching on the word 'arms' gives access to some summary of discussion of militia.

But there's no discussion of the 2nd Amendment. The Notes cover the Constitutional Convention, which did not produce the Bill of Rights.

[CarlV]

Now we have the NRA talking points presented, it can't be a gun discussion without NRA talking points.
As soon as we get the "making people register their purchases at a gun show just like they would already have to do at a brick and mortar business would totally invalidate/eliminate the 2nd amendment" it will be the typical Political Chat gun discussion.


Carl

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by matteos

They're not going to do that. They'll nickel and dime certain styles of guns away to appease folk like you. Like they do with rifles that "look like assault weapons", now the "armor piercing ammo". No matter a semi automatic rifle that can be used for hunting does exactly the same.

What makes you think the Democrats will hold office for another 8 years? I hope they do, but I'm not so sure they will.

You're so Sharp, y'know? People like me favor a "nickel and dime" policy gun policy.

Here's what people like me favor. Handguns are outlawed. Automatic and semi-automatic "assault" style short/medium barreled rifles are outlawed. Possession of ammunition for these are outlawed. Gas operated, recoil operated, blowback operated semi-automatic long barreled hunting rifles and shotgun shotguns are outlawed. Get caught with any of it...first offense a year in prison, second offence 10 years in prison, third offense 30 years in prison...for the weapon possession or the ammunition possession.

What you can own are long barreled hunting rifles and shotguns. Single shot or bolt action rifles, maximum 3 shot clip. No lever action big load rifles...none. Side by side or single barrel breech loading long barreled shotguns. Over/under breech loaded long barrel shotguns. Single barrel long barreled pump action shotshotguns, maximum load, 3. Heavily licenced. Felon...no. Mental heath diagnosis...no. Dui record...no. Domestic violence history including history of any order of protection being granted...no fucking way.

That's what will appease a person like me.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by CarlV

Now we have the NRA talking points presented, it can't be a gun discussion without NRA talking points.
As soon as we get the "making people register their purchases at a gun show just like they would already have to do at a brick and mortar business would totally invalidate/eliminate the 2nd amendment" it will be the typical Political Chat gun discussion.


Carl

I don't get why every transfer of ownership of a firearm isn't a matter of record. Hell, I had to report it to the DMV when I sold my old Ford F250.

Oh, that's right...some paranoid idjit at InfoWars and those clinically insane folks at American Rifleman said the Gubmint was checking to see who was naughty and who's nice.

[matteos]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

You're so Sharp, y'know? People like me favor a "nickel and dime" policy gun policy.

Here's what people like me favor. Handguns are outlawed. Automatic and semi-automatic "assault" style short/medium barreled rifles are outlawed. Possession of ammunition for these are outlawed. Gas operated, recoil operated, blowback operated semi-automatic long barreled hunting rifles and shotgun shotguns are outlawed. Get caught with any of it...first offense a year in prison, second offence 10 years in prison, third offense 30 years in prison...for the weapon possession or the ammunition possession.

What you can own are long barreled hunting rifles and shotguns. Single shot or bolt action rifles, maximum 3 shot clip. No lever action big load rifles...none. Side by side or single barrel breech loading long barreled shotguns. Over/under breech loaded long barrel shotguns. Single barrel long barreled pump action shotshotguns, maximum load, 3. Heavily licenced. Felon...no. Mental heath diagnosis...no. Dui record...no. Domestic violence history including history of any order of protection being granted...no fucking way.

That's what will appease a person like me.

Why? You can still shoot up a school or a cinema with a shotgun. Not exactly slow reloading a double barrel.

Also there are people that do hunt with handguns (obviously the big ones). They are not just there for self defense.

Nickel and diming, this is exactly what you are doing, you are just more extreme. Guns are still legal, you've just banned the ones you think are dangerous. The exact policy I'm referring too. But you can slaughter scores of people with the guns that are still legal if you felt like it.

Now I agree that felons and people with mental health issues should not have access (People with a DUI? Why?). But I entirely disagree with banning types of guns (Except automatic weapons).

Gun rampages usually happen the same way... Someone goes in and shoots up a school. This should be examined. Maybe people under the age of 21 should not be allowed access to guns (we don't let them drink).

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by matteos

Why? You can still shoot up a school or a cinema with a shotgun. Not exactly slow reloading a double barrel.

Also there are people that do hunt with handguns (obviously the big ones). They are not just there for self defense.

Nickel and diming, this is exactly what you are doing, you are just more extreme. Guns are still legal, you've just banned the ones you think are dangerous. The exact policy I'm referring too. But you can slaughter scores of people with the guns that are still legal if you felt like it.

Now I agree that felons and people with mental health issues should not have access (People with a DUI? Why?). But I entirely disagree with banning types of guns (Except automatic weapons).

Gun rampages usually happen the same way... Someone goes in and shoots up a school. This should be examined. Maybe people under the age of 21 should not be allowed access to guns (we don't let them drink).

You agree to the basic idea of regulating gun ownership, and prohibiting both some guns, and some would-be owners. No need to have a great pissing contest over the details, we all agree in principle.

Is it a nickel's, or a dime's worth of difference between full automatic and semi-automatic?