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Old 01-21-2010, 12:41 PM
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The only reason to spend millions beating out other contestants for a job that pays 200K. These guys are a lot of things but stupid is not one of them.

Plus as I said before the health and retirement plan kicks ass.
Not intelligent either, think the word you were looking for is cunning.
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Old 01-21-2010, 12:44 PM
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I don't give a damn what it pays. I wouldn't take a public office in this thoroughly whacked society if you put a gun to my head.

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Old 01-21-2010, 01:22 PM
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The only reason to spend millions beating out other contestants for a job that pays 200K. These guys are a lot of things but stupid is not one of them.
But, unless you're Mittens or Bloomberg, it's other peoples' millions they're spending.

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Old 01-21-2010, 01:32 PM
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But, unless you're Mittens or Bloomberg, it's other peoples' millions they're spending.

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Well from todays supreme court decision looks like theres gonna be a lot more millions to spend.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...-law21-ON.html

I can already smell the stench from the upcoming war of slander/attack ads on both sides.
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Old 01-21-2010, 01:47 PM
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Leave it to the Supremes, I thought they were supposed to interpret the Constitution, not rip it to shreds.
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Well from todays supreme court decision looks like theres gonna be a lot more millions to spend.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...-law21-ON.html

I can already smell the stench from the upcoming war of slander/attack ads on both sides.
Philosophically, I agree with this decision. As a practical matter, however, it'll makes things even uglier than they already are. FWIW, I think the courts are the only semi-functional branch left in government.
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Old 01-21-2010, 02:12 PM
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Well from todays supreme court decision looks like theres gonna be a lot more millions to spend.

I can already smell the stench from the upcoming war of slander/attack ads on both sides.
Face it, guys, our democracy just got the coup de grace from the Supremes.

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Old 01-21-2010, 03:16 PM
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FWIW, I think the courts are the only semi-functional branch left in government.
You are being kind.
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Old 01-21-2010, 04:00 PM
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Philosophically, I agree with this decision. As a practical matter, however, it'll makes things even uglier than they already are. FWIW, I think the courts are the only semi-functional branch left in government.
The ruling advances a legal fiction that has so far outgrown its original purpose as to become obscene. The legal fiction makes corporations persons. Originally is was intended to make it more practical for incorporated to enter into contracts and enforce them or have them enforced in court. That personhood has spread to give corporations equal protection rights, rights to hold patents, and now a full fledged right to free speech. Corporations receive the rights of citizenship without the obligations. They might profit from war, but they will never be conscripted. Indeed, their only moral imperative is make a profit, other social concerns be damned unless it enhances the bottom line.

Corporations do not come together for the purpose of petitioning the government for redress. They come together to limit liability and to make a profit. In no way were corporations contemplated by the Framers as entities in need of, or entitled to the protection of the First Amendment.

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Old 01-21-2010, 04:38 PM
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The ruling advances a legal fiction that has so far outgrown its original purpose as to become obscene. The legal fiction makes corporations persons. Originally is was intended to make it more practical for incorporated to enter into contracts and enforce them or have them enforced in court. That personhood has spread to give corporations equal protection rights, rights to hold patents, and now a full fledged right to free speech. Corporations receive the rights of citizenship without the obligations. They might profit from war, but they will never be conscripted. Indeed, their only moral imperative is make a profit, other social concerns be damned unless it enhances the bottom line.
Yeh, but I guess under our Common Law system, it would have probably been a surprise if it had gone the other way. As you say, the personification of corporations didn't start with this ruling.
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