Congratulations America!

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

You did it!

You got what you wanted. You insured that you will have several more decades, at best, of corporate profit over people.

Wasn't that the Dem plan too, but new and improved?

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

... Our country is doomed. ...

...But Republicans will have power! And that's all that matters. They will continue to build a system that benefits only the most wealthy members of our society all the while convincing the middle class that they are on their side- hey, they drive trucks! ...

Yeah, okay, a little over the top.

A little upset there Eddie?

And 60 votes in the Senate WAS power. Now 59. And the Dems sure didn't do anything for me.

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

.. We're only one country, soon to be added to the ash-heap of history. Progress will continue to progress with our without America. We'll fall further and further behind every year until we're entirely irrelevant. Ah, but our taxes will be low.

Impossible! Taxes won't be low - we've got a lot of debt.

Originally Posted by Sandy G

Fellers, fellers...Come on. It AIN'T the end of the world. I have a strong feelin' the sun will come up this morning. So this one didn't work-Fine. Now we all need to sit down again, & try a little harder to come up w/something that WILL work, & be acceptable to everyone. I think we all know that something needs to be done-its just that the PERCEPTION of this plan & what it entailed just had too many people spooked. Politicians also need to be reminded every now & then that THEY work for US-not the other way around, & last night was a gentle nudge in that direction.

Once again Sandy I'm impressed at your sense of balance. But Wow. Wow. What an amazing time in politics. We'll have to try doubleplusgood to keep our heads, it'll be a hard time to be civil.

How long has it been since there's been a fistfight in Congress?

If you'll excuse me, I've got a country to ruin lol.

Pete

[merrylander]

I would be very gentle with those crows my friends, you may well be eating them come November.

First, Collins and Snowe have been taking a bit of flak from their voters, folks in Maine are an independent lot and they no more enjoy being screwed by big Pharma and the insurance briberey (Lobbyists) than you or I.

Second; So Ried just puts the bill to a vote, the Republicans filibuster, and filibuster until the public get thoroughly pissed with them and the vote takes place - all it needs is 51 votes, so up yours Mitch.

Third; If people in this country are as stupid as some believe (I don't) then they will bring the GOP back for four more years and you won't have a country left to talk about, maybe Mexico will annex it for you, I won't care because I will be somewhere in the Maritime Provinces.

[Grumpy]

I like me a good taco rob

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

I like me a good taco rob

As long as they are made here at home, had a burrito over in NoVa once, figured they forgot to remove the hooves, thought I would die.

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by Sandy G

Fellers, fellers...Come on. It AIN'T the end of the world. I have a strong feelin' the sun will come up this morning. So this one didn't work-Fine. Now we all need to sit down again, & try a little harder to come up w/something that WILL work, & be acceptable to everyone. I think we all know that something needs to be done-its just that the PERCEPTION of this plan & what it entailed just had too many people spooked. Politicians also need to be reminded every now & then that THEY work for US-not the other way around, & last night was a gentle nudge in that direction.

I would bet every dollar I have that the Republicans will *never* lift a finger to do anything about it. I'd love to be wrong about this, but I fear I am not. They are *not* going to start over. Anyone who believes this is more deluded than I am.

We had the one shot we get. Took 15 years to get back to here.

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

IMO Reid and some other morons screwed it worse by taking out the single payer. It could have brought more support on board.

You think the people I saw on CNN who said they "voted against 'Socialism'" would have been more keen on government run single payer?

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by merrylander

The Canadian Single Payer Plan, I know because I lived there for 53 years. Unfortunately all Americans ever hear about it is the bullshit put out by the insurance an drug companies. Look in any issue of any major magazine, you will see three and four page ads for some "Miracle" drug (the miracle being if it does not kill you). Figure out what that spread cost, then tell yourself that of course the magazine will print the truth about single payer. If you do believe that we are having a special on the Bay Bridge this week.

The Republicans and the Heath Insurance companies started a campaign of lies about Canada and England before the debate ever started. They lied to the American people and their punishment for their lies is sending more of them to Washington.

Wake up America. You did it again. You voted for the people who lie, cheat, steal and mislead you to disaster time and again. And you celebrate after you've done it.

If they don't figure out some way to get this deal through, there will be no Health Care Reform. If you think the Republicans will do it you might as well pray for ice watter in Hell. When have they ever even suggested that they might do something about it- Nixon is the last I can think of.

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

A little upset there Eddie?

No. I'm a lot upset. I fear that I watched the American people turn down the only real chance of fixing this mess in my lifetime. Hope you enjoy your rates going up and your coverage going down year after year. The only shot and doing anything about that was shot down last night.

[cabinover]

Eddie, what makes you think that forcing MORE payers to donate to private insurers or face fines is a great idea? Sounds like something Republicans would ask for so why on earth would they not push the idea, immediately after calling their stock broker to buy up health insurance stock.

Where would the fine money go? General fund perhaps? How convenient.

The way I see it is that everytime the government meddles in peoples lives it seems to make things worse? Want a great example? WELFARE and it's generations of families living off of it laughing at us working stiffs for paying their way.

My $.02

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

You think the people I saw on CNN who said they "voted against 'Socialism'" would have been more keen on government run single payer?

Translation "I voted against my own best interests". Our schools have failed, most Americans would not recognize a socialist if one bit them on the arse.