The Affordable Care Act

[Ike Bana]

You kinda have to care to be invested enough to bet. I don't care how many people are enrolled. The ACA is law...it will remain the law. If you're upset about that, you have my condolences.


And...it will remain the law until the country extracts it's collective head out of it's ass and institutes universal Medicare for everybody (without any bullshit monthly premiums paid to the government).

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by whell

Sticking to the only talk track that really matters: 1.1 Million now enrolled, and those enrollments do not represent polices that have been bought and paid for, so I'm not confident that those 1.1 Million will actually end up being insured. But lets stick with those numbers for a minute. And let's also assume that the state exchanges kick in another 1.1 Million, which seems far from likely.

That gives us an optimistic number of 2.2 million enrolled, with the objective of having 7 million enrolled by March 31, 2014. I suspect that by the middle of January, we'll have some feedback from the carriers about the total number of folks that have actually paid their premiums for coverage. January 10th is the deadline for paying the premium for coverage for January 2014. At least one source suggests that only about 10 - 15% of folks have actually paid anything for January 2014 premium.

Any takers on a bet that we'll end up pretty far short of 2.2 million paid policies for January 2014 coverage?

If they have to choose between paying their health premium and paying for the bills they ran up over the Holidays, my guess is, you might have something. There's another aspect of the ACA that hasn't made much sense to me..........

Who's the genius that put the payment deadline two weeks after Christmas? Delay it a month or two and more people might have the money to pay. Ya think?

Dave

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

You kinda have to care to be invested enough to bet. I don't care how many people are enrolled. The ACA is law...it will remain the law. If you're upset about that, you have my condolences.


And...it will remain the law until the country extracts it's collective head out of it's ass and institutes universal Medicare for everybody (without any bullshit monthly premiums paid to the government).

You will have to pay for single payer in one form or the other either through higher taxes or a big reduction in other areas like the military,etc.
But there will be a cost.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by icenine

You will have to pay for single payer in one form or the other either through higher taxes or a big reduction in other areas like the military,etc.But there will be a cost.

Think about the bolded statement and current goings on in the military pay/benefit world.

Dave

[icenine]

I was on that board Dave I banned that guy....

you are next

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by icenine

You will have to pay for single payer in one form or the other either through higher taxes or a big reduction in other areas like the military,etc.
But there will be a cost.

Robbin how many time need I post this? When I moved down here to marry Florence I was offered a position at the same salary I had been getting in Canada, along with the H1 B visa.

Adding Federal Income tax, FICA, Medicare and State income tax I was paying nearly equal amounts in both countries, difference was under $100.

SinglePayer was an 0.8% surcharge on my taxable income and $54/moth for the family plan.

Are Canadians so much smarter than Americans that they can pull that off?

What you need to realize is that Canada runs the whole SinglePayer for the country at less cost than CareFirst does just for the state of Massachussets.

Most insurance companies here run at 25% overhead, plus doctors must hire assistants to deal with all the paperwork that varies from company to company. Every doctor visit I fill out enough paperwork to choke a horse.

Oh, and the civil servant at the head of Single Payer would be very lucky if he/she made $200,000 a year.

[icenine]

Canada has about the population of California
America has 10 times that.

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

I dunno Chas. I don't know you, or your attitudes well enough to say anything close to that. But if we want to attempt a clarification I think we can do it. Because for me...I find myself unable to vote for any Republican politician as long as the GOP is the party that...

...wants to crush every public and private sector union into dust.
...continues to stick it's nose into every American woman's reproductive organs.
...continues to support this country's democratized gun carnage.
...continues to support outlawing public and privately funded embryonic stem cell research.
...continues to support Genesis being taught in public school science class.
...continues to support the use of tax dollars to pay for private school children's religious indoctrination.
...continues to prefer to see 30 million of the country's citizens being denied health care coverage.
...continues to pander to idiotic populist extremists.
...will continually bring the people of this country to the brink of economic disaster by flirting with defaulting on the country's financial obligations.

As far as budget matters, including military spending are concerned I find the parties so close in spending as to be virtually indistinguishable. So my disgust for the GOP is centered on the list above.

What say you...eh Chas?

This reminds me of something I heard George Will say once: 'You're a pyromaniac in a field of straw men.'

Pete

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by icenine

You will have to pay for single payer in one form or the other either through higher taxes or a big reduction in other areas like the military,etc.
But there will be a cost.

Yep. And I'm new here, but on other forums I've long been an advocate for paying for our single payer healthcare through higher taxes and coming to grips with the fact that we don't need 11 active aircraft carrier groups, or a $67 billion program to develop and build F-22 Raptors that we didn't need and the Pentagon didn't actually want. (The only people who wanted a $67 billion dollar F-22 program were the patriotic, military supporting members of the US House who wanted the jobs in their districts.)

Yes...ice. We will pay for it. But it should cost us half of the percentage of GDP than we're paying for our health system now.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by icenine

I was on that board Dave I banned that guy....

you are next

Your name is really "Doug" and you're a flight deck veteran?