Worse President of our lifetime, poll

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Charles

He stayed calm

Chas

Look at his face after he was told. He did not stay calm, he was confused and scared. Took him 7 minutes to make a move.

We are definitely gonna need to agree to disagree on his one.

[JJIII]

"We are defiantly gonna need to agree to disagree on his one."

?Is that what you mean, or is that what you spelled?

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by JJIII

"We are defiantly gonna need to agree to disagree on his one."

?Is that what you mean, or is that what you spelled?

"definitely" it should have been

[JJIII]

OK, although the other was funnier.

[soundhound]

Originally Posted by spasmo55

I see that you live in Ol Miss, but I am somewhat familiar with hurricanes myself, Erin, Opal, Andrew, Charley, Frances, Jeanne to name a few I had the displeasure to meet face to face. And an F3 Tornado in Feb 98 that ripped right through our county, county hell 1/4 mile north of my house. With that said, the handling of katrina was a failure starting with the citizens themselves, then the Municipal, State and Federal levels, but all I ever hear is how the Feds failed, frankly that is bullsh*t IMHO.

i rode out erin and opal in niceville, florida (villa taso actually). the devastation was nothing in comparison to katrina.

undeniably, it was not a great idea to build a city below sea level. it was also a mistake not to upgrade the city's defenses prior to the storm.

and there is no denying that failure was widespread and began at the local level. and the behavior of some of the residents of new orleans in the aftermath of the storm made me sick to my stomach.

however, if the president of the united states can't mobilize the national guard and/or other government agencies, and organize a rescue of stranded civilians one hell of a lot faster than was done, he is incompetant.

and bush was.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by soundhound

i rode out erin and opal in niceville, florida (villa taso actually). the devastation was nothing in comparison to katrina.

undeniably, it was not a great idea to build a city below sea level. it was also a mistake not to upgrade the city's defenses prior to the storm.

and there is no denying that failure was widespread and began at the local level. and the behavior of some of the residents of new orleans in the aftermath of the storm made me sick to my stomach.

however, if the president of the united states can't mobilize the national guard and/or other government agencies, and organize a rescue of stranded civilians one hell of a lot faster than was done, he is incompetant.

and bush was.

Still don't know why everyone is pissed at Bush...Chaney was runnin' things.

But just to keep peace in the family, I'll say it. Bush is a dumb SOB. Don't mean it, but I said it.

Now does that make me, you, and Noon blood brothers or something?

Chas

[spasmo55]

Originally Posted by soundhound

however, if the president of the united states can't mobilize the national guard and/or other government agencies, and organize a rescue of stranded civilians one hell of a lot faster than was done, he is incompetant.

and bush was.

Not to dispute your point, but to share some knowledge with you. In order for the feds to move in it must be requested by the state (Governor). That goes for any fed relief.

If what I read can be trusted, that took 2 days?

If the Pres were to mobilize the National Guard, that in effect declares Martial Law, making the Federal Gov't responsible for ALL services, Police, Fire, Post Office (yes soldiers must take over the mail), Transportation, Medical. You as citizens also lose some rights in this process as military laws replace the laws of the state. Basically the Mayor of New Orleans and the Governor of the state are taken out of the authority loop, and the senior military person on the ground is the Boss.

This also means your local police, and state troopers are no longer law enforcement, MP's take over this function.

I doubt if the folks in LA or the nation would have liked that option. I doubt the resources were in place in LA to handle this, so the pres would have to mobilize National Guard from other states or bring in the Active military, neither paints a pretty picture for Americans may love their military but would not under martial law.

If you may recall from Andrew, the federal troops were being assaulted and releaved of their weapons, by armed drug dealers, because they knew the Fed Troops had no ammunition. Members of the FLARNG were locked and loaded, and were being attached to the feds to help stop this.

The above is not my opinion, as I served 56 days in the Miami-Dade area as a member of the FLARNG, and whenever I left the "Compound", I was armed and locked & loaded.

I will concede that Andrew was not as bad as Katrina, but up to Katrina it was the worst, and it was were the playbook received its' last major modifications.

They never Federalized Andrew, perhaps they should have w/Katrina, but hindsight makes it lot easier to determine what should have been done.

[soundhound]

Originally Posted by Charles

Now does that make me, you, and Noon blood brothers or something?

Chas

not without the secret handshake.

[soundhound]

Originally Posted by spasmo55

I doubt if the folks in LA or the nation would have liked that option.

i doubt that the citizens of NO who were clinging to their roofs, dying of dehydration, and floating in their own excrement would have much given a shit about their rights.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by spasmo55

Not to dispute your point, but to share some knowledge with you. In order for the feds to move in it must be requested by the state (Governor). That goes for any fed relief.

If what I read can be trusted, that took 2 days?

If the Pres were to mobilize the National Guard, that in effect declares Martial Law, making the Federal Gov't responsible for ALL services, Police, Fire, Post Office (yes soldiers must take over the mail), Transportation, Medical. You as citizens also lose some rights in this process as military laws replace the laws of the state. Basically the Mayor of New Orleans and the Governor of the state are taken out of the authority loop, and the senior military person on the ground is the Boss.

This also means your local police, and state troopers are no longer law enforcement, MP's take over this function.

I doubt if the folks in LA or the nation would have liked that option. I doubt the resources were in place in LA to handle this, so the pres would have to mobilize National Guard from other states or bring in the Active military, neither paints a pretty picture for Americans may love their military but would not under martial law.

If you may recall from Andrew, the federal troops were being assaulted and releaved of their weapons, by armed drug dealers, because they knew the Fed Troops had no ammunition. Members of the FLARNG were locked and loaded, and were being attached to the feds to help stop this.

The above is not my opinion, as I served 56 days in the Miami-Dade area as a member of the FLARNG, and whenever I left the "Compound", I was armed and locked & loaded.

I will concede that Andrew was not as bad as Katrina, but up to Katrina it was the worst, and it was were the playbook received its' last major modifications.

They never Federalized Andrew, perhaps they should have w/Katrina, but hindsight makes it lot easier to determine what should have been done.

There you go again, interjecting logic into an emotional issue.

Always has to be at least one troublemaker in the crowd.

Chas