Worse President of our lifetime, poll

[spasmo55]

Originally Posted by soundhound

iraq was not responsible for 9-11 in case you haven't heard. saddam was a tyrant, but there are many of those. why aren't we toppling their regimes as well?...

Very good question, and may I add "What the hell is the rest of the "Free" world doing about it"?

Originally Posted by soundhound

fact is, bush lied about weapons of mass destruction, and about iraq's connection to terrorism, and used 9-11 as an excuse to finish the job his father started. all about the oil my friend. all else is whitewash....

The thing that confuses me here is the amount of oil under our own soil, and if as you say he trampled our liberties, could he have just as easily trampled the envionmentalists that fight any attempt to drill for it? Just a thought.

Originally Posted by soundhound

then he trampled on our civil liberties under the guise of national security, botched the war effort, tortured prisoners with complete disregard of the geneva convention, and added fuel to the fires of those who ARE actually responsible for 9-11. not to mention that he drove our economy into the ground....

I'm sorry, but once I witnessed a video of an American civilian having his head cut off, or bodies of Americans burned and hung from a bridge, I have complete disregard for any convention, I just can't get passed that!

Originally Posted by soundhound

oh yeah, there's no doubt in MY mind that he stole the election. for the love of america, his brother was the governer of the state that decided the election. HELLO.........

I am well aware that Jeb was governor, I voted for him. Perhaps the real problem here is the Electoral College process, and The Supreme Clowns, yes?
The way it was handled and scrutinized by the press, I see no way Jeb could have influenced the outcome, perhaps you are aware of something I am not.

Originally Posted by soundhound

and let us not forget the somewhat less than stellar handling of katrina...

I see that you live in Ol Miss, but I am somewhat familiar with hurricanes myself, Erin, Opal, Andrew, Charley, Frances, Jeanne to name a few I had the displeasure to meet face to face. And an F3 Tornado in Feb 98 that ripped right through our county, county hell 1/4 mile north of my house. With that said, the handling of katrina was a failure starting with the citizens themselves, then the Municipal, State and Federal levels, but all I ever hear is how the Feds failed, frankly that is bullsh*t IMHO.

[spasmo55]

Having mentioned some experiance with storms in a prior post, just thought I would share some photos of a FEMA funded burn I worked at after Charley, through Frances and then Jeanne. This is just one (the smallest) site for our county, the other two had to grind because of the proximity to towns.

This fire was just the trees lost, I did not take photos of the building materials that were eventualy piled here for movement to the landfill. This debris used up 5 years of landfill space, just from Charley.

The contractors hauled from daylight to dark, 7 days a week for 3 months and we never put the fire out, even through Frances and Jeanne. We did not stop operating until the frontal wall of Frances and Jeanne were 12 hours out, Breeeeeeezy it was.

Yes, FEMA was there everyday, along with OSHA and any other Gov't agency that could think up a reason to be there. You could not get a rental car in the Orlando area, for heavens sake. Fortunately, I was a county employee, and could respectfully tell them they had no sway over me.

[Charles]

I can't believe that people are still blaming Shrub for Katrina...everyone knows that this was the work of Karl Rove and his hurricane machine.

A few years ago Cancun was hit by a massive hurricane. And the locals, with a LITTLE help from their government went out, fixed things up, and were back in business PDQ.

Of course, the Mexicans had enough sense not to build Cancun where it was below sea level, and they didn't have Ray Nagin for their mayor.

Besides, everyone had known for years that New Orleans was going to be in big trouble if a giant hurricane hit. And this is Bush's fault?

Chas

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Twodogs

I definitely slept better when Bush was running the show. I wonder how Obama would have handled 911? I guess he would have sat down and had a beer with the Taliban leaders. I'm still waiting for Bidens prophecy of the "test" to come around.

I despised Clinton but on 911 I turned to my significant other and said, "I wish Clinton were President now."

And that was before they showed Bush sitting like a fool with the kids after he had been told we are at war.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by noonereal

I despised Clinton but on 911 I turned to my significant other and said, "I wish Clinton were President now."

And that was before they showed Bush sitting like a fool with the kids after he had been told we are at war.

I thought he handled himself well, what was he supposed to do?

And when I heard about 9-11, I thought to myself,"Thank God Clinton's not president."

But you already knew that, didn't you.

Chas

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by spasmo55

So you never wondered why we had a problem Saddam and and no other ruthless dictator?

Interesting. Aren't you a strict constitutionalist?
Seems to me if one is then they would only be consistent if they also honored any agreements we enter into.

I remember this so clearly. Bush boy was being interview on TV when Gore was projected to win. He ended the interview immediately saying that that was wrong. Again I turned to my significant other and said half in shock, "this election is fixed." It was very obvious.
It will all come out when enough time has passed.

I agree with you about all the failure but Bush plain and simple did not "get it" or give a shit.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Charles

I thought he handled himself well, what was he supposed to do?

And when I heard about 9-11, I thought to myself,"Thank God Clinton's not president."

But you already knew that, didn't you.

Chas

No I did not know that. You are very cerebral and not just a blind party follower. It would not have surprised me if you had agreed with me and it does not surprise me that you don't. I guess that is what makes us unique, two people can process the same info and come up with different answers.

As to what Bush should have done, let me say this.
On 911 I was watching a fire on the top floors of the World Trade Center. After about 15 minutes or so I saw a very low flying plane hit the other tower. I immediately knew (as everyone did) that we were under attack. So I ran to my kids school and got her out. When I was leaving still no one else had gotten to the school to get there kids. I got my medications and was in the car and on my way to the countryside before any bridges on roads were closed. Point is I knew exactly what needed to be done quickly to best protect my child and self.
Then (I don't recall when, at night, the next day whatever) I see the President being told that we are at war. He was not even told that a second plane had hit, they knew better than to let him figure that out on his own and he sat there. And sat there. And sat there.
He should know what to do for the country just like I did know what to do for my family.
There is no excuse on the planet for his lack of immediate response except that he was not qualified to be president that day.

HE WAS SUPPOSED TO GET UP IMMEDIATELY AND ENGAGE.

[spasmo55]

[/QUOTE]Interesting. Aren't you a strict constitutionalist?
Seems to me if one is then they would only be consistent if they also honored any agreements we enter into.[/QUOTE]


You are correct, I guess this is just my emotions overriding my intellect.

With that said, I think that a case could be made reference Article 4(A)2(d).
I cannot understand local ordinances, let along international law, but the gov't and lawyers like it that way.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by spasmo55

I think that a case could be made reference Article 4(A)2(d).
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Damn. You smart folks give me a headache.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by noonereal

No I did not know that. You are very cerebral and not just a blind party follower. It would not have surprised me if you had agreed with me and it does not surprise me that you don't. I guess that is what makes us unique, two people can process the same info and come up with different answers.

As to what Bush should have done, let me say this.
On 911 I was watching a fire on the top floors of the World Trade Center. After about 15 minutes or so I saw a very low flying plane hit the other tower. I immediately knew (as everyone did) that we were under attack. So I ran to my kids school and got her out. When I was leaving still no one else had gotten to the school to get there kids. I got my medications and was in the car and on my way to the countryside before any bridges on roads were closed. Point is I knew exactly what needed to be done quickly to best protect my child and self.
Then (I don't recall when, at night, the next day whatever) I see the President being told that we are at war. He was not even told that a second plane had hit, they knew better than to let him figure that out on his own and he sat there. And sat there. And sat there.
He should know what to do for the country just like I did know what to do for my family.
There is no excuse on the plant for his lack of immediate response except that he was not qualified to be president that day.

HE WAS SUPPOSED TO GET UP IMMEDIATELY AND ENGAGE.

You knew what to do, and did it because you could.

Shrub was already engaged, whether he was sitting there with a bunch of kids, or not. The military and every alphabet agency was working overtime at that point, there was nothing more he could do until he was briefed. And I don't think that anyone really had anything at the time to brief him on.

He stayed calm and kept his mug shut, which, IMHO, was the appropriate thing to do at the time.

Chas