Trump Disgraces America Every Day

[donquixote99]

Only idiots and villains can now defend the enemy of the United States who now occupies the White House. We have his own voice on tape frankly admitting the COVID fraud--the big lie that is costing hundreds of thousands of lives. He should resign or be impeached instantly. The Republicans of congress forced Nixon out, and this is much worse. If Trump is left in office they must fully share his guilt.

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Only idiots and villains can now defend the enemy of the United States who now occupies the White House. We have his own voice on tape frankly admitting the COVID fraud--the big lie that is costing hundreds of thousands of lives. He should resign or be impeached instantly. The Republicans of congress forced Nixon out, and this is much worse. If Trump is left in office they must fully share his guilt.

Absurd.
I don't think a lot of people here understand how a real leader in the white house actually should handle something like this.

Bob Woodward did not say anything new in his book. The president said exactly the same thing back in March.

It is important to remember that the CDC has now said that 94% of the deaths reported in the US had an AVERAGE of 2.5 co-morbidities with CV19 and that they didn't die OF the virus, but "with" it in their system.

And when you remove from the stats the people that NY and NJ killed with ventilators, it makes this thing a non-event.

[NipperDog]

Please tell me if I'm missing something here.

Shouldn't Bob Woodward have gone public back in early February when Trump disclosed to him that the virus was an airborne one? I think in order to save tens of thousands of lives, he should have said to himself, to hell with the book I'm writing, time to go public with this info. He had the proof on tape, why the hell did he just sit on it until his book came out in September?

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by NipperDog

Please tell me if I'm missing something here.

Shouldn't Bob Woodward have gone public back in early February when Trump disclosed to him that the virus was an airborne one? I think in order to save tens of thousands of lives, he should have said to himself, to hell with the book I'm writing, time to go public with this info. He had the proof on tape, why the hell did he just sit on it until his book came out in September?

First, you're missing that the point is brought up as a PR counterpunch, to throw some blame at the messenger and thus lessen the impact of the message. As such, it deserves to be regarded as dishonest noise, and ignored. Save the pondering of hard points of journalistic ethics for a graduate seminar at Columbia.

But to take a whack at the issue, let's look at the alternatives. So, Woodward could have spilled the recording early. Well, how early? On Feb 8th? At that point, the public hardly knows anything about CV-19, and certainly doesn't know what Trump is going to do and not do in the coming months, and how it would all work out. So its impact on the public is sort of dubious, not to be judged by its impact now, given all we now know and have been through. Woodward, in particular, doesn't know just what the future holds, or what effect his disclosure would possibly have on it. So both the need and the effect of disclosure are obscure. Balance all that against the loss of blowing of his relationship with Trump and his opportunity to gather more disclosures that could be of immense value for the record. And further, there's the loss of the opportunity to control and complete his journalistic book--again, arguably, a very valuable contribution. Bottom line, it's not like Woodward could have gone public and obviously saved the nation from CV-19, and it's not like there were not definite downsides. It's a lot more complicated than that.

[NipperDog]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

First, you're missing that the point is brought up as a PR counterpunch, to throw some blame at the messenger and thus lessen the impact of the message. As such, it deserves to be regarded as dishonest noise, and ignored. Save the pondering of hard points of journalistic ethics for a graduate seminar at Columbia.

Your response is cryptic to me and I'm not sure I understand this part of it.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by NipperDog

Your response is cryptic to me and I'm not sure I understand this part of it.

Let me try again. The argument is 'Whatabout Woodward? Isn't he at fault for not warning everyone when he learned that Trump was minimizing the danger of CV-19 despite knowing its deadly nature?'

Notice that this argument neither refutes the accusations against Trump, nor excuses his actions in any way. All this argument does is get people thinking about Woodward's fault, instead of Trumps undeniable fault. That why I say it is a public relations (PR) maneuver, not an actual defense. Whatever you may decide to think about Woodward, Trump is still exactly as guilty as he was before this idea was brought up. But the effect of the PR maneuver is to make people stop focusing on Trump's fault, and focus on Woodward's instead.

Woodward is not President; his fault, if any, is of much less vital importance than Trump's. This thing is just defense by distraction, which is why I said it should be disregarded.

[NipperDog]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Notice that this argument neither refutes the accusations against Trump, nor excuses his actions in any way. All this argument does is get people thinking about Woodward's fault, instead of Trumps undeniable fault. That why I say it is a public relations (PR) maneuver, not an actual defense. Whatever you may decide to think about Woodward, Trump is still exactly as guilty as he was before this idea was brought up. But the effect of the PR maneuver is to make people stop focusing on Trump's fault, and focus on Woodward's instead.

Woodward is not President; his fault, if any, is of much less vital importance than Trump's. This thing is just defense by distraction, which is why I said it should be disregarded.

I didn't mean to give the impression that I'm trying to excuse Trump in any way. He's the president (choke) and even though he refuses to acknowledge it, the buck stops with him.

I was just trying to put myself in Woodward's shoes upon hearing back in early February that COVID was an airborne disease and realizing that Trump wasn't going to share that vital info with the public. I think and hope I would have said to myself, fuck the book, I need to let people know what Trump is unwilling to share instead of sitting on this info for so many months until my book tour started.

[RickeyM]

The Orange Shitstain is live on TV right now trying to sell that same crap that it's Woodward's fault because he didn't run screaming to the world that tRump knew it was bad. First, that's not Woodward's job. Second, how would Woodward know that tRump wasn't going to be honest with the American people? Third, anyone that doesn't toe the tRump lie, er line gets attacked if they don't work for him or fired if they do. tRump and Reich-Wing media would have spared no effort to vilify Woodward.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by RickeyM

The Orange Shitstain is live on TV right now trying to sell that same crap that it's Woodward's fault because he didn't run screaming to the world that tRump knew it was bad. First, that's not Woodward's job. Second, anyone that doesn't toe the tRump lie, er line gets attacked if they don't work for him or fired if they do. tRump and Reich-Wing media would have spared no effort to vilify Woodward.

'Oh, I did something wrong? Well it's your fault for not stopping me!'

Didn't he just use this defense for 'losers and suckers?'

[Chicks]

Daughter of Trumpkin who died of COVID rips president's pandemic comments to Woodward
"The president's lies are undeniable and inexcusable,” said Urquiza, who delivered a blistering rebuke of Trump's handling of the pandemic at the DNC.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...demic-n1239777

“That betrayal of my father and our country is even more clear now. The president's lies are undeniable and inexcusable,” Urquiza said on the call.

“If Donald Trump had told the American people in public what he had told Bob Woodward in private, thousands of lives could have been spared, including my dad,” she said. “The sad thing is that it didn't have to be this way. These deaths were needless and preventable.”

...yet Trumpkin fools continue to deny...