Who Killed Sandra Bland?

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Zeke

You possess a position but evidence implies invalid.

And, yes, her family wants $$$.

If you don't, you accept evidence.

They're not getting a cent.

Oh, "implies invalid?" Implications of anything can be found everywhere. But thanks for sharing an indication of yours.

I've looked at the tape, which implies to me that nothing had to happen, except the unprofessional cop decided to roust her.

[Boreas]

Ignore Zeke. All responding to him does is shift our attention away from the murder of Sandra Bland and onto him and his absurd pro-cop propaganda.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Oh, "implies invalid?" Implications of anything can be found everywhere. But thanks for sharing an indication of yours.

I've looked at the tape, which implies to me that nothing had to happen, except the unprofessional cop decided to roust her.

So, again, you don't have an argument.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Ignore Zeke. All responding to him does is shift our attention away from the murder of Sandra Bland and onto him and his absurd pro-cop propaganda.

You, too, possess no argument?

Sad, really.

She offed herself, nobody's fault but hers.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Ignore Zeke. All responding to him does is shift our attention away from the murder of Sandra Bland and onto him and his absurd pro-cop propaganda.

I'm a little confused John. I've yet to hear of a shred of evidence that a crew of cops walked into Sandra Bland's cell and strung her up by a trash bag. As much as Rolling Stone and others may say, "Suicide or not, police are responsible for Sandra Bland's death.", that they wrongly put her in a position where she was so distraught that she hung herself, that does not make anybody guilty of a "murder." Are they "responsible?" Obviously, it wouldn't have happened had she not been dragged into jail. I don't know the law well enough to determine whether that makes the Hemptstead PD legally complicit or not.

Workers get fired from their jobs and kill themselves every day. You really think that because somebody was such a malicious boss who made a vulnerable worker so miserable that they suicided...that boss should be prosecuted for murder?

I have no pro-cop agenda. The cop in this incident was a hostile asshole who exceeded the authority of his position and forced an unnecessary situation. If his action violated department policy he should be fired. If his action violated the law he should be prosecuted and if guilty, he should be sentenced to the maximum. If I were a member of Bland's family I'd have this guy, the police department, and the town of Hempstead, Texas in court for the rest of their lives.

[Oerets]

I'm guessing she would be alive today if the officer had never stopped her in the first place.

As to the legal culpability of the PD in the results, though some actions may have grave consequences they are not covered by our legal system.


Barney

[donquixote99]

For my part, note I haven't said "prosecuted for murder." Doing that when someone suicides would require showing the accused intentionally made them do it. Not very likely.

Blaming for being a angry asshole who should be kicked so far off the force he can't walk back in a hundred years? That may be appropriate.

Suggested without prejudice to appropriate charges if evidence of criminal wrongdoing on anyone's part surfaces.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Oerets

I'm guessing she would be alive today if the officer had never stopped her in the first place.

As to the legal culpability of the PD in the results, though some actions may have grave consequences they are not covered by our legal system.


Barney

I don't think there's any question she would be alive. The cop was probably within his department policy to pull her over...but it seems to me that shortly thereafter he was exceeding department policy all over the place. There are ways to handle non-dangerous people who are not acting rationally...and cops get plenty of training on how they should be doing that. I'd say the cop is likely a fucking racist. There was no reason for him to tell her to put her cigarette out at 2:30 in the video. He's clearly an asshole looking for a way to aggravate the situation.

But I posed the question to John because "murder" is a legal term and even with all the probable misbehavior, I'm having trouble seeing how this officer or the rest of the Hempstead PD is legally complicit in a murder.

[barbara]

I'm not up to date on this news story.... But, has it been established that it was suicide and nobody entered her cell to harm her?

[Zeke]

The past 5-6 posts are really, really good.

I concur that the stop was probably good. Personally, I believe she landed herself in jail but that can be debated. Then, she killed herself.

Sum? Nothing to see, here.

But most recent thread posts have done a much better job of explaining that than my original missive.