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09-29-2011, 11:05 AM
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It should be interesting. A gut feeling tells me the mandate will be struck down, but the rest will stand. Of course, then back to the legislature for appropriate tweaking. I'm still wondering who the hell wrote the monstrosity. Have you tried reading it? Oh, BTW, do you know of any good, free, legal sites that are useful?
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How so?
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09-29-2011, 11:06 AM
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Freudian slip?
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Misspelling---corrected.
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09-29-2011, 11:09 AM
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If the mandate for healthcare is struck down, then can they go after Social Security next?!
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And everything the government makes us pay for? Which is pretty much everything the government does. Think about it.
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03-28-2012, 05:40 PM
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Just thought I'd drag this thread out to refresh what was said in the pasted up to this weeks events.
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03-28-2012, 06:03 PM
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I think Dave stoked this issue a couple of days back here.
http://www.politicalchat.org/showthr...5799#post95799
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03-28-2012, 06:14 PM
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I know, thought what was posted on this subject before the hearings seemed interesting.
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03-29-2012, 07:30 AM
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How can folks say on one hand that the "government is trying to take over" something that amounts to 17% of the economy - billions and billions of dollars, and also argue that regulation of that part of the economy is not within the scope of regulating interstate commerce. The content of the health care bill is a legislative political issue. The Court would have to go through some extreme contortions to suggest that Congress did not have authority to act. Now if they let Clarence Thomas write an opinion striking down the law, I will lose all respect for the justices. (I know that they know better than that. As wrong headed as they are about many things, they are not stupid.)
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I would not bet on that. AFAIK the Roberts Court has done astronomy a big favour in proving that there is life on other planets because Roberts and Alito sure did not come from this one.
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03-29-2012, 07:39 AM
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If the mandate for healthcare is struck down, then can they go after Social Security next?!
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No because the government does have the right to tax. That professor from G'town (I think) who is against PPACA said Medicare is a different story and that the government can tax people to provide Medicare. The big objection he had was the government can't "tax" you to provide private health insurance. So SinglePayer would be perfecly in line with the Constitutioon but not Aetna, US Healthcare, etc.
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03-29-2012, 08:03 AM
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This bill was a disaster from the beginning. I hope the entire thing is struck down.
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03-29-2012, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by merrylander
No because the government does have the right to tax. That professor from G'town (I think) who is against PPACA said Medicare is a different story and that the government can tax people to provide Medicare. The big objection he had was the government can't "tax" you to provide private health insurance. So SinglePayer would be perfecly in line with the Constitution but not Aetna, US Healthcare, etc.
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With the current makeup on the court I would venture anything could happen. Just yesterday they handed down a decision that could silence whistle blowers.
Now Limiting damages against the government to legal cost only. They just limited damages to monetary losses no longer including mental distress. Reversing case law since the seventies BTW. (Enacted after Watergate)
"Justices Sonia Sotomayor, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer dissented, arguing the ruling "cripples" the 1974 Privacy Act's "core purpose of redressing and deterring violations of privacy interests," as Sotomayor wrote for the dissenters. Justice Elena Kagan was not involved in the decision because she had worked on the case while solicitor general."
http://www.sacbee.com/2012/03/28/437...-sue-feds.html
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