Roseburg, Oregon School Shooting

[Pio1980]

I think some of the info came from the same source (the idiot sher'f) that all but called the Sandy Hook shooting a false flag operation.

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[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

And were are these reports comming from? I have seen no official reports where the police have come out stating anything as to what make of guns, body armor and so forth. I find it very strange in deed that they will not say anything. Then the internet and news sites are making a bunch of assumptions as if it's fact. At first I heard 4 guns, 1 rifle and 3 pistols and now I'm hearing 6 guns. The left is running around and talking about assault rifles and AR15s and going rabid without any facts.

In the photo of the shooter holding a rifle, it's not a AR15.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-no...elated_stories

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[4-2-7]

Your link Steve,
Nothing to corroborate this early reporting other than he used a single hand gun.

Police recovered a flak jacket with steel plates lying beside the gunman's rifle that held five magazines of ammunition, authorities said Friday. Federal officials confirmed that he was armed with a variation of an AR-15, but he used a single handgun.



Nothing to corroborate this early reporting.

Multiple law enforcement sources told NBC News that four weapons were recovered from the scene in Roseburg, in the southwest corner of the state about 60 miles south of Eugene — three handguns and a long gun similar to an AR-style rifle. Investigators also found several magazines for 5.56mm ammunition and a ballistics vest, one of the sources said.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...ollege-n437051
The AR15 does not use 5.56mm ammunition

This was very early reporting and they gave a link to CNN
Nothing to corroborate this early reporting.

Police said the 26-year-old shooter is dead and there is no longer a threat. It’s not yet known if the gunman was a student or was affiliated with the southern Oregon school. He was armed with four guns, three handguns and an AR-15-style long gun, according to CNN.
http://heavy.com/news/2015/10/umpqua...twitter-video/

When I used the link to CNN there was no such statment as to guns used.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/01/us/ore...ing/index.html

In fact the video and statments from a girl that was there and wounded says otherwise.......



Before going into spinal surgery, Anastasia Boylan told her father and brother the gunman entered her classroom firing. The professor in the classroom was shot point blank. Others were hit, she told her family.

Everyone in the classroom dropped to the ground.

The gunman, while reloading his handgun, ordered the students to stand up if they were Christians, Boylan told her family.

"And they would stand up and he said, 'Good, because you're a Christian, you're going to see God in just about one second,'" Boylan's father, Stacy, told CNN, relaying her account.

"And then he shot and killed them."


It's a shame that the left in a desperate move, is making up stories that fit their agenda. They wanted this to be a shooter going in blazing a AR15 with 30 round clips as if warfair equipment was used.

Sorry it was just a semi auto pistol with 10 round clips.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

It's a shame that the left in a desperate move, is making up stories that fit their agenda. They wanted this to be a shooter going in blazing a AR15 with 30 round clips as if warfair equipment was used.

The desperation seems to be on your part. Did he have an AR variant or didn't he? Was he a 2nd Amendment loonie with 13 firearms or wasn't he?

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

Before going into spinal surgery, Anastasia Boylan told her father and brother the gunman entered her classroom firing....

The gunman, while reloading his handgun, ordered the students to stand up if they were Christians, Boylan told her family.

"And they would stand up and he said, 'Good, because you're a Christian, you're going to see God in just about one second,'" Boylan's father, Stacy, told CNN, relaying her account.

"And then he shot and killed them."

The christian martyr story is going to be so fulfilling of a popular meme that I need much stronger evidence for it than we have. Right now, all the accounts I've heard of 'christian selection' are third-hand hearsay: from a purported witness to a family member to a reporter to us.

There's too much opportunity in there for the story to be 'filled-in' or 'elaborated,' from expectations or from media cues. For example, in today's paper a story reports the shooter did not specifically target christians, but quotes a witness saying that the shooter asking people about their religion was like telling the victims "you're going to be meeting your maker." I suspect a cue like this may have led to the father's belief, quoted above, that the shooter actually said something like "...you're going to see God in just about one second."

I'd want to see video of actual witnesses talking, and the sooner after the incident they were made, the better.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

And were are these reports comming from? I have seen no official reports where the police have come out stating anything as to what make of guns, body armor and so forth. I find it very strange in deed that they will not say anything. Then the internet and news sites are making a bunch of assumptions as if it's fact. At first I heard 4 guns, 1 rifle and 3 pistols and now I'm hearing 6 guns. The left is running around and talking about assault rifles and AR15s and going rabid without any facts.

In the photo of the shooter holding a rifle, it's not a AR15.

Originally Posted by Boreas

The desperation seems to be on your part. Did he have an AR variant or didn't he? Was he a 2nd Amendment loonie with 13 firearms or wasn't he?

Nope I just want the facts, not sensationalism drumed up by left winged media and internet drivel.

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Afaik, silencers/supressors are vetted and permitted the same as fully automatic firearms.

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Still what is the need other then as a toy? I feel the same towards the full auto weapons.

The rifle in one of the pictures I've seen of him, it appears to be a .30 carbine or a Ruger carbine to be holding from the looks of it.


Yes the reports I seen all say he was wearing body armor with steel plates.


Barney

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

The christian martyr story is going to be so fulfilling of a popular meme that I need much stronger evidence for it than we have. Right now, all the accounts I've heard of 'christian selection' are third-hand hearsay: from a purported witness to a family member to a reporter to us.

There's too much opportunity in there for the story to be 'filled-in' or 'elaborated,' from expectations or from media cues. For example, in today's paper a story reports the shooter did not specifically target christians, but quotes a witness saying that the shooter asking people about their religion was like telling the victims "you're going to be meeting your maker." I suspect a cue like this may have led to the father's belief, quoted above, that the shooter actually said something like "...you're going to see God in just about one second."

I'd want to see video of actual witnesses talking, and the sooner after the incident they were made, the better.

Over and over eye witness accounts all say the same thing and I doubt any of that will change once out of the hospital.

'Daddy, he began to shoot": A daughter's account of Oregon rampage
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...004-story.html

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Ayn Rand is one of two novel things many adolescents discover and then most abandon not long afterward, the other is L. Ron Hubbard.

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Read it when I was sixteen, Gordon Gecko said it all in three words, Rand took thousands.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

Over and over eye witness accounts all say the same thing and I doubt any of that will change once out of the hospital.

'Daddy, he began to shoot": A daughter's account of Oregon rampage
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...004-story.html

No they don't all say the same thing. But they all, like this one, are third-hand hearsay.

This one, now, contains nothing about a selection of christians to shoot, and comments about 'meeting God' are not mentioned. Instead, the "we will all be together in just a moment” seems to imply all are going to die (except for one selected to hold a bag containing a flash drive).