Israel has invaded Gaza...

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by finnbow

GAZA CITY — A U.N.-run school crowded with Palestinian evacuees in the northern part of the Gaza Strip came under shelling on Thursday, leaving at least 15 people dead and more than 100 wounded, Palestinian officials said.

Several shells hit the main building and courtyard of the elementary school run by the U.N. Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) in Beit Hanoun, witnesses and Palestinian officials said. They said the school was filled with women and children who had fled their homes to escape more than two weeks of fighting between Israel and Hamas, the militant Palestinian Islamist group that runs the Gaza Strip.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...6ed_story.html

Why were the people in there? Hamas made no effort to protect those people.

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsIte...2/Default.aspx

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by whell

If you open up the dictionary and look up the word "sophistry", you'll find this post used as an example.

You must mean what you wrote, not what you quoted. You label finnbow's post 'sophistry,' but you offer not one mumblin' word to tell anyone why they should think the label applies.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by finnbow

It comes as little surprise that religious differences play a role in this conflict (as they do in many others). Keep in mind that Palestinians supported the objectives of Egypt and Jordan back then against a common enemy. That enough is to explain the entire dynamic you refer to (the enemy of my enemy is my friend).

That said, none of this is particularly relevant to Palestinians younger than 30-40 years old. All they know is that they live in an open-air prison/ghetto and their houses are being bombed while Israel actively continues to recruit settlers to occupy further lands in the West Bank.

I'm neither pro-Israel nor pro-Palestinian in this conflict and, if anything, I lean pretty strongly towards Israel. My son, who has lived in Tel Aviv for 2 years, has now experienced two such conflicts and has remained safe due to their technical superiority (to which he has contributed, BTW).

That said, there are 2 sides to every story and the American public only knows one side. I too only knew the one side until I visited there (for a total of 5 weeks over several trips in the past 30 years). It's far more complex than "Palestinians are evil and Israelis are righteous."

Or vice versa. Problem is it's typically the vise versa these days. Those Israeli Jew nazis, y'know?

Just so you know, I've also spent time there, although when I was a younger guy, two three week university sponsored archaeological digs near Haifa.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

Why were the people in there? Hamas made no effort to protect those people.

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsIte...2/Default.aspx

Are you serious? Seeking whatever poor safety might be offered by the UN flag, perhaps?

And since when is it a defense for a crime that someone else purportedly made no effort to defend the victims?

And what sort of defensive effort is even conceivable? Were they supposed to destroy the Israeli artillery with counter-battery fire? Deploy a phaser to shoot-down the incoming shells? Or what?

Your arguments are total Israeli-apologist garbage.

[whell]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

You must mean what you wrote, not what you quoted. You label finnbow's post 'sophistry,' but you offer not one mumblin' word to tell anyone why they should think the label applies.

The post didn't deserve it, not am I "required" to provide one when a post is that far off the reservation.

You seem to have positioned yourself as "forum quality control" lately when you don't like members posts. How nice for you.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Gawd, what a mess.

As you correctly observe, I am not a mental health professional. Quibbling with a common and well-understood lay term like 'emotional trauma' while ignoring the actual point, is just a dodge.

You defend your position on some issues on the basis of "It's personal," and explain that you base your position on the way you are affected by certain tragic and traumatic events. Is this a fair summary?

No. A fair summary would be that I have developed opinions based on my experience. Trauma is not a condition. It's a discrete experience, you have it, you suffer with it, if you're smart...you process it, and if you process it effectively the traumatic responses are over with. Trauma has nothing to do with my opinion. Suggesting that it does is a dodge.

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Zeke does seem to have gotten under your skin. What special powers enable you to determine that he is anti-Semitic? Goydar?*


*Pun on 'gaydar.' And yes I am ridiculing you here, but you rate it for the name-calling. 'Anti-Semetic' is a pretty big bomb to throw.

All I needed to see was:

Originally Posted by Zeke

And they are to be directly compared to Nazis, here.

Only a schmuck Jew hater would use that, would use nazi to describe a Jew. It's meant to do nothing but express hate and generate a reaction. He's a bigot right out of the gate. Who can say what happened to Zeke...maybe some Jew lawyer buttfucked him in a legal case. Maybe some Jew banker foreclosed on his hovel. So Zeke is hereby getting exactly the reaction he was looking for...nothing more, nothing less.

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Are you serious? Seeking whatever poor safety might be offered by the UN flag, perhaps?

And since when is it a defense for a crime that someone else purportedly made no effort to defend the victims?

And what sort of defensive effort is even conceivable? Were they supposed to destroy the Israeli artillery with counter-battery fire? Deploy a phaser to shoot-down the incoming shells? Or what?

Your arguments are total Israeli-apologist garbage.

You just hate jews. I bet you support storing the missles in all of the childrens homes as well.
Get f&^%ed you worthless little bitch!

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I understand full well the dangers of any Nazi analogy, but there are undeniable similarities between the two.

To wit, this just in:

GAZA CITY — A U.N.-run school crowded with Palestinian evacuees in the northern part of the Gaza Strip came under shelling on Thursday, leaving at least 15 people dead and more than 100 wounded, Palestinian officials said.

Several shells hit the main building and courtyard of the elementary school run by the U.N. Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) in Beit Hanoun, witnesses and Palestinian officials said. They said the school was filled with women and children who had fled their homes to escape more than two weeks of fighting between Israel and Hamas, the militant Palestinian Islamist group that runs the Gaza Strip.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...6ed_story.html

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Are you serious? Seeking whatever poor safety might be offered by the UN flag, perhaps?

And since when is it a defense for a crime that someone else purportedly made no effort to defend the victims?

And what sort of defensive effort is even conceivable? Were they supposed to destroy the Israeli artillery with counter-battery fire? Deploy a phaser to shoot-down the incoming shells? Or what?

Your arguments are total Israeli-apologist garbage.

So being in an area where two parties are warring with each other is dangerous. Nothing terribly revealing here, especially when the Palestinians insist on conducting military operations in neighborhoods, mosques, homes, hospitals, etc. If the Palestinians don't like the Israelis attacking them, I guess they shouldn't have kicked the recent cease fire agreement to the curb. Or maybe they should stop lobbing missiles into Israel that target Israeli citizens.

By the way, Finn, do you get just as upset when Hamas rockets force the Israeli citizens into bomb shelters? Or are you just upset that the Israeli response isn't "proportional"?

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by whell

The post didn't deserve it, not am I "required" to provide one when a post is that far off the reservation.

No shit! Who the fuck does this Jew hating Troll think he is? I would love to wrap my hands around the throat of this pussy.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

...Just so you know, I've also spent time there, although when I was a younger guy, two three week university sponsored archaeological digs near Haifa.

So, beyond being unable to analytically think about the ongoing situation, you romanticize the area?

Explains much.

As for anti-Semitism, I wasn't aware accurately pointing out YOUR (lack of) argument has anything to do with disliking a group of people unless someone is cloaking themselves in a sort of perceived righteousness due to an association with them: where you try -- and fail -- to link the ridiculously simple parrying of your, ahem, "argument" to a blanket dismissal of those you are unable to adequately support via rationale.

So, you don't think, romanticize the area, and are an elitist.

Basically, you're continuing to exhibit intellectual constipation.

Still embarrassing for you...