More guns = more gun violence.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by catswiththum

All the above true - now, how to remove/take firearms from the population in an effective manner that will stand up to legal challenges?

Once you open Pandora's Box, damned hard to close it up.

Because of the absurd way in which the 2nd Amendment has been interpreted by the SCOTUS, the only way is to repeal it.

That will never happen.

Or, really, the only way it will happen is if there's an armed insurrection in the country and the "rights" under the 2nd are suspended and, in the aftermath of the insurrection, the 2nd Amendment is repealed.

In other words, that will never happen.

[Pio1980]

As long as the gun fetishists have this thing by the short and curlies, nothing will change with our God given right to become a potential target in a public shooting gallery.

[Pio1980]

The punishment with these occurrences is usually self inflicted, knowing something you should have done or didn't do made you responsible for something nothing can make right.

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[barbara]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

I haven't researched this in a while, and I'm tired of researching it every time this stupid fucking argument rears it's ugly, zit-covered head...so I'm referring to data that may be 3 or 4 years old.

For every successful defense of person utilizing a handgun, there are 43 wrongful handgun deaths in this country.

The argument is utter anecdotal bullshit. These people oughta be held to an answer as to whether the 43 innocent victims matter to them or not. It's a simple yes/no question, with a simple yes/no answer.

Ike.... I recently read the same statistics except the article I read said that it did not include suicide or accidental shooting for the wrongful deaths.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Because of the absurd way in which the 2nd Amendment has been interpreted by the SCOTUS, the only way is to repeal it.

That will never happen.

But is it not possible that with another 4 or 8 years of Democrat control of the Executive Branch that a new solid progressive majority in the SCOTUS could hear another gun case brought to the high court, and the current 2nd Amendment interpretation could change?

Nor do I believe the 2nd will ever be repealed, and I blame that on liberal indifference, and liberal gunners who want their handguns and gun rights just as much as the cons. They just don't tell anybody.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by JJIII

The child wouldn't necessarily have to "rack" the slide to fire it. See here...

http://www.personaldefensenetwork.co...fired-pistols/

"The amount of force or weight of the trigger pull in many of these firearms is very similar, in about the six- to seven-pound range."

"Striker-fired semi-automatics were made popular in the 1980s by Glock. Although the company was not well received in the beginning, it has become one of the most popular defensive pistol brands in the world. The striker firing mechanism uses a spring-loaded firing pin that works more like the launcher in a pinball machine than that of a traditional pistol with a hammer. This spring-loaded pin is partially cocked by the movement of the slide. The trigger then cocks the pin the remainder of the way and releases it to strike the primer and ignite the cartridge."

Whoever left the pistol unsecured where the child could find it should be prosecuted.

It's been a long time since I freshened up my gun lore. Wasn't familiar with the 'striker fired' pistols. Still greater trigger-pull effort than a pistol at full cock, but the shorter trigger pull distance would certainly tend to make it more doable by a young child.

[Rajoo]

This leads to the question whether the gun manufacturer can be held liable and sued for a million or two.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by barbara

Ike.... I recently read the same statistics except the article I read said that it did not include suicide or accidental shooting for the wrongful deaths.

A while back I found a worldwide comparison chart of firearms data with all this stuff broken down. Homicide, suicide, accidental, undetermined were the categories I remember with accompanying data for each individual category. I'm trying to find it, but without luck so far.

But what I remember is that in the firearms homicide category, the US was at 2.97 per 100,000 and the UK at .07 per 100,000, or over 40x higher here. I believe in that chart the total rate including all categories of firearms deaths was over 70 times higher here than in the UK.

There are some third world countries where even our rate looks like a great success. Particularly in Central America and the Caribbean where it's not unusual for the homicide rate to exceed 25 per 100,000. In places like El Salvador and Guatemala between 35 and 40 per 100,000 and Honduras...the highest rate I've found, just under 70 per 100,000. The worst city I've heard of may be Port Moresby, the capital of Papua New Guinea where they say you can triple the rate reported by the government which is somewhere in the 50's.

It's a barbarous world and humans are locusts with intelligence and technology.

[hillbilly]

From local news. 74 year old protected himself with his gun when two teens decided to rob him.

http://www.wsmv.com/story/29480245/p...ied-to-rob-him

Oh, and no charges have been filed, because the man was within his rights, as it should be.

[barbara]

Originally Posted by hillbilly

From local news. 74 year old protected himself with his gun when two teens decided to rob him.



http://www.wsmv.com/story/29480245/p...ied-to-rob-him



Oh, and no charges have been filed, because the man was within his rights, as it should be.

And for every one successful defense...... There are forty three homicides by handguns

That just seems a bit lop sided to me.