More guns = more gun violence.

[barbara]

http://news.yahoo.com/guns-dont-dete...180710261.html

[Ike Bana]

Yep. Any per capita study confirms it as well. In 1997, less than a year after the UK's Dunblane school massacre, the British government zipped it's collective spine back in and virtually outlawed any handguns, assault weapons and any other "automatic" firearm. And now our firearms homicide death rate is 40 times that in the UK, and the total firearms death rate including suicide, accidental, unintentional and undefined causation is close to twice that rate.

If Roof had walked into the AME Church with a butcher knife he would have hurt one, or possibly two people before the rest of the parishoners beat him unconscious, if not to death, with folding church chairs.

This country's democratized gun carnage is not a matter of the control of gun distribution, it's a matter of mankind's unique predilection for barbarity. The only way out of it is to re-affirm the actual intent of the 2nd Amendment (or preferably repeal it altogether), and get handguns and other automatic weapons out of circulation. First offense for possession, 1 year. Second offense 10 years. Third offense, life. No excuses, no mitigating factors, no appeals. Get caught, go away.

Lib naysayers can say it's impossible. Well...it was impossible to elect a black POTUS in my lifetime. It's been impossible to elect a woman POTUS, but we may see that impossibility ending soon, and only 95 years after women got the right to vote...which was impossible for only 145 years. It was impossible for the people to rise up against the government and force it to end the Vietnam war. The only thing that makes this impossible is too many people saying it's impossible. We outnumber the NRA gunners by millions. And...nobody wants to take away anybody's single shot break down long barreled shotgun. Anybody who would qualify for ownership under strict, unrelenting regulation, that is.

[BlueStreak]

Day after day, a friend of mine keeps posting (in another forum) instances of "good guys" stopping "bad guys" from committing mass shootings and other crimes, mostly committed with.......guns. This is his evidence that more guns IS the answer. What he fails to see is that the vast majority of gun related violence wouldn't have taken place AT ALL, if not for the way we interpret the 2nd Amendment. Forget the "good guy with a gun stops bad guy with a gun" meme. Every firearm, every single one of them, started at a legal source and somehow all too many of them end up in the hands of criminals and lunatics. More guns within such a gun permissive society truly does = more guns in the hands of bad guys.

Our horrific gun related violence stats are testament to that fact.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Day after day, a friend of mine keeps posting (in another forum) instances of "good guys" stopping "bad guys" from committing mass shootings and other crimes, mostly committed with.......guns. This is his evidence that more guns IS the answer. What he fails to see is that the vast majority of gun related violence wouldn't have taken place AT ALL, if not for the way we interpret the 2nd Amendment. Forget the "good guy with a gun stops bad guy with a gun" meme. Every firearm, every single one of them, started at a legal source and somehow all too many of them end up in the hands of criminals and lunatics. More guns within such a gun permissive society truly does = more guns in the hands of bad guys.

Our horrific gun related violence stats are testament to that fact.

I haven't researched this in a while, and I'm tired of researching it every time this stupid fucking argument rears it's ugly, zit-covered head...so I'm referring to data that may be 3 or 4 years old.

For every successful defense of person utilizing a handgun, there are 43 wrongful handgun deaths in this country.

The argument is utter anecdotal bullshit. These people oughta be held to an answer as to whether the 43 innocent victims matter to them or not. It's a simple yes/no question, with a simple yes/no answer.

[icenine]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_7739380.html


I guess the grandfather needed a weapon in case someone broke into his house.
Bet he wished he had never bought it after this.

I guess people just leave loaded weapons lying around the house.

[catswiththum]

All the above true - now, how to remove/take firearms from the population in an effective manner that will stand up to legal challenges?

Once you open Pandora's Box, damned hard to close it up.

[barbara]

Originally Posted by catswiththum

All the above true - now, how to remove/take firearms from the population in an effective manner that will stand up to legal challenges?

Once you open Pandora's Box, damned hard to close it up.

No one said it would be easy.... But we gotta start somewhere. Wringing our collective hands after each mass shooting isn't getting us anywhere as far as solutions go.

[Pio1980]

Is Australia a legitimate model to impartial examination, taking into account what statistics and those who compile and interpret them?

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[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by icenine

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_7739380.html


I guess the grandfather needed a weapon in case someone broke into his house.
Bet he wished he had never bought it after this.

I guess people just leave loaded weapons lying around the house.

It's even more stupid than you say. The pistol was left lying around loaded and cocked, so that only low trigger pressure was necessary to fire it. This is ridiculously unsafe, an accidental discharge waiting to happen even if only adults handle the gun.

A three-year-old wouldn't be able to fire a revolver double-action, or rack an automatic. The gun had to be already cocked.

[JJIII]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

It's even more stupid than you say. The pistol was left lying around loaded and cocked, so that only low trigger pressure was necessary to fire it. This is ridiculously unsafe, an accidental discharge waiting to happen even if only adults handle the gun.

A three-year-old wouldn't be able to fire a revolver double-action, or rack an automatic. The gun had to be already cocked.

The child wouldn't necessarily have to "rack" the slide to fire it. See here...

http://www.personaldefensenetwork.co...fired-pistols/

"The amount of force or weight of the trigger pull in many of these firearms is very similar, in about the six- to seven-pound range."

"Striker-fired semi-automatics were made popular in the 1980s by Glock. Although the company was not well received in the beginning, it has become one of the most popular defensive pistol brands in the world. The striker firing mechanism uses a spring-loaded firing pin that works more like the launcher in a pinball machine than that of a traditional pistol with a hammer. This spring-loaded pin is partially cocked by the movement of the slide. The trigger then cocks the pin the remainder of the way and releases it to strike the primer and ignite the cartridge."

Whoever left the pistol unsecured where the child could find it should be prosecuted.