Who Killed Sandra Bland?

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Zeke

As for Ms. Bland, her $$$ grubbing relatives who wouldn't bail her out have just gone "all in" for the cash.

Losers...

I'd say that you were a thoroughly disgusting human being but referring to you as being in any way human dignifies you infinitely more than you deserve.

[matteos]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Did I claim to be an expert marksman? I've always been comparatively horrid with a long gun that no amount of instruction has helped.

As for Ms. Bland, her $$$ grubbing relatives who wouldn't bail her out have just gone "all in" for the cash.

Losers...

You trained with Olympic Marksmen and couched a rifle team.

I'm guessing the rifle team that you couched were not the same people as the the Olympic athletes you trained with. (and had no chance of becoming the same people)

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

I feel your pain Zeke.

It's a real bummer when somebody calls you on your bullshit and you have to walk it back.

That's why I quit trying to bullshit people many many years ago.

What bullshit?

You just can't read.

And "comparatively horrid" depends upon the comparison.

Lame.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by matteos

You trained with Olympic Marksmen and couched a rifle team.

I'm guessing the rifle team that you couched were not the same people as the the Olympic athletes you trained with. (and had no chance of becoming the same people)

Pretty much different levels across the board but it was still interesting to shoot and learn from folks that are good enough to subdivide bull's eyes into grades.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Zeke

What bullshit?

You just can't read.

And "comparatively horrid" depends upon the comparison.

Lame.

Still trying to save face?

It won't work you pathetic two bit loser.

Your rep here is in the toilet and it was all your own doing.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Did I claim to be an expert marksman? I've always been comparatively horrid with a long gun that no amount of instruction has helped.

As for Ms. Bland, her $$$ grubbing relatives who wouldn't bail her out have just gone "all in" for the cash.

Losers...

In case you missed it, I happened to mention that this was a civil rights case. What led to this? Police misconduct and eventual loss of life. Even the suicide in itself cannot be condoned and law enforcement bears significant responsibility.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Boreas

I'd say that you were a thoroughly disgusting human being but referring to you as being in any way human dignifies you infinitely more than you deserve.

Sandra Bland's peeps: for when you only care enough to sue the very best.

Had they more self-awareness, they'd have realized their little criminal pot head was suicidal.

But no, it has to be someone else's fault to the last. (sigh)

Personal efficacy is the White Whale they'll never catch, even if it beaches before them.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Still trying to save face?

It won't work you pathetic two bit loser.

Your rep here is in the toilet and it was all your own doing.

Oh please.

Your tears are delicious.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

I never shot an M-14. I just figured it would be harder to shoot due to the recoil. The M-16 was nothing. It was like shooting my .22, which was the only gun I had ever fired before basic. Of course they didn't let us Air Farce guys fire on full auto.


So this part of FMJ was probably realistic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5IWK9sRYTs

Well sorta realistic, because the USMC qualifying records of Oswald and Whitman were not particularly exceptional. And none of our DI's ever mentioned either Oswald or Whitman during our rifle training at Pendleton. I suspect it was something that Kubrick or screenwriter Michael Herr came up with. I was actually kind of surprised that R. Lee Ermey didn't object to it as he did with a number of things they wanted him to do that were crap. I still pull out my copy and watch it from time to time. There's something so delightfully creepy about hearing Ermey telling a recruit that he will "...gouge your eyeballs out and skull-fuck you!!!" That and a bunch of other stuff said to me word for word.

Marine Corps records showed that Oswald shot for qualification twice, in 1956 and 1959. In 1956 Oswald qualified as Sharpshooter on the M-1 rifle with a score of 212 (210 was required to make Sharpshooter). In 1959 with the M-14 Oswald barely qualified at all, shooting only 191...under 190 makes you "unqualified" which is about the worst thing that can befall a United States Marine. I never saw any recruit beaten as badly, or treated as badly for the rest of recruit training as the "uncs", the non-quals. But the Warren Commission needed to show that Oswald was skilled with a rifle to make their single shooter case. I suppose being called a "Marksman" would satisfy those ignorant of USMC qualifying structure, which I guess it did. But in reality, Oswald was nothing special with a rifle.

Whitman qualified "Sharpshooter" in July 1959, which means he must have qualified on the M-14. Probably better than Oswald, but there's a considerable difference in skill level between somebody who qualifies "Expert" and the lesser categories. You couldn't miss many bullseye's and qualify as a rifle expert in the 1950's, and it was the same qualifying system used during the Vietnam years. It was a big deal shooting "Expert", and you had to be pretty good to do it. As I remember, of the 82 recruits in my bootcamp platoon, only 15 or so shot "Expert".

I believe the Marine Corps qualifying system is different now than it was when I enlisted. I don't know for sure, but suspect it changed when the US Military went to all volunteer.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Oh wait. You do because you called me out.

BTW Zeke, I was not the one who initiated a reference to anybody's "marksmanship"...that was actually you. So as usual, you will whine about being "called out" when you were not.