Obama's "Mission Accomplished"

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by mezz

Who cares about some blogger's opinion? I very rarely ever read an editorial and see no need to delve much past the news that a senior official at the State Department has stated "The war on terror is over". Did you read the advertizements too? Try weighing in on the state department's statement rather than scrounging for something (anything) to avoid the issue and go ad hominem instead.

... and believe me Babs, nobody has to publish anything to make this administration look bad. Perhaps you can't handle the embarrassement [SIC] of admitting doubts at having supported this horribly inadequate admin, but stubbornly clinging to the rails of this sinking ship is only going to insure you go down with it.

Save yourself, save your country, take at honest look at the failure that is the Obama admin and open your eyes to some modicum of integrity and reject this abomination while you still can.

Ad hominem attacks? Look at the tone of your response. Look at the tone of the vast majority of your posts. In the words of Uriah Heep, Look at Yourself.

As far as this administration's success in the war on terror, consider how many successful terrorist attacks have occurred on this administration's watch. The strategy of pinpoint attacks against AL Qaeda and Taliban leaders appears to have been quite efficient. Certainly it has been more efficient than the invasion of a country that had not been involved in the attacks.

Regards,

D-Ray

[barbara]

"Babs"????
If you ever had a chance at having any credibility with me, you just lost it.

Icenine........ain't it interesting how those who absolutely hate obama just for the sake of being a republican, can't even see the obvious? Even when Obama follows through with the broken promises of the former administration, they still try to find fault.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by icenine

Mezz
Where have you been? Obama has continued all of the Bush anti-terrorism policies. Drone attacks, the destruction of Osama Bin Laden, and even the controversial killing of American citizens abroad who were linked to Al Qaida. Results not rhetoric is what you should be looking at. I guess if it was someone else and not Obama perhaps you would not be whining so much.

Not exactly. The destruction of Osama Bin Laden was his initiative after Bush had shifted attention away from this.

[piece-itpete]

He followed through with Bush's promises, that he ran against?

Pete

[mezz]

Originally Posted by icenine

Mezz
Where have you been? Obama has continued all of the Bush anti-terrorism policies. Drone attacks, the destruction of Osama Bin Laden, and even the controversial killing of American citizens abroad who were linked to Al Qaida. Results not rhetoric is what you should be looking at. I guess if it was someone else and not Obama perhaps you would not be whining so much.

I would be confused as to why you`d continue to support him then, but I`m sure you have your reasons which make sense .

Obama has left the war on terror on auto pilot (much like everything else that would have required leadership to point in any new direction). His attempt to retire the terminology `war on terror`and his stating of one thing and doing of another (usually nothing) has critically undermined the credibility of the US on the world stage and the advancement of our interest and those of out allies, namely the spread of democracy and advancement of freedom and liberty, and the leadership of the US in promoting these values. Obama does not embrace a leadership role for the US in the world. Read his book.

[mezz]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Ad hominem attacks? Look at the tone of your response. Look at the tone of the vast majority of your posts. In the words of Uriah Heep, Look at Yourself.

As far as this administration's success in the war on terror, consider how many successful terrorist attacks have occurred on this administration's watch. The strategy of pinpoint attacks against AL Qaeda and Taliban leaders appears to have been quite efficient. Certainly it has been more efficient than the invasion of a country that had not been involved in the attacks.

Regards,

D-Ray

With all due respect D-Ray the war on terror is not all about killing people with drones (although I have no problem with that). Obama has completely dropped the ball on the political and ideological fronts which are the keys to any success and long term security against jihadist islam. As I`ve stated above Obama has let this war run on autopilot and any successes he`s attempting to brag about are like bragging that you hung around for 24 and your broken clock was right twice.

[mezz]

Originally Posted by barbara

"Babs"????
If you ever had a chance at having any credibility with me, you just lost it.

I`m pretty sure that is: a) untrue and b) you are quite aware that gaining credibility with you was nowhere near what I was going for.

[barbara]

Originally Posted by mezz

I`m pretty sure that is: a) untrue and b) you are quite aware that gaining credibility with you was nowhere near what I was going for.

You might be right on your second point there, mess.

[barbara]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

He followed through with Bush's promises, that he ran against?

Pete

Pete, as you must know, in many areas, it is impossible to do a complete 360 the day a new person walks into office.
And, as you also probably know, many who voted for Obama are frustrated that he didnt execute a complete 360 turn around the minute he walked into office.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by mezz

I would be confused as to why you`d continue to support him then, but I`m sure you have your reasons which make sense .

Obama has left the war on terror on auto pilot (much like everything else that would have required leadership to point in any new direction). His attempt to retire the terminology `war on terror`and his stating of one thing and doing of another (usually nothing) has critically undermined the credibility of the US on the world stage and the advancement of our interest and those of out allies, namely the spread of democracy and advancement of freedom and liberty, and the leadership of the US in promoting these values. Obama does not embrace a leadership role for the US in the world. Read his book.

No, he has not, "....left the war on terror on autopilot....". It has been taken into a covert hunt and assasinate mode as it should have been done in the first place. This is how we got bin-Laden and what has other al-Quaeda leaders in hiding and on the run. Massive military action against a cell terror structure is a massive waste of time, resources and last but certainly not least---Human lives. Swatting at a swarm of bees--with a baseball bat. It NEVER made any sense. You will swing until you are exhausted and there will still be bees to sting you. That is the whole point of utilizing a "cell" strategy.

My only gripe with Obama is that he hasn't shut down "occupation" operations in Iraq and Afghanistan quickly enough.

"Obama does not embrace a leadership role for the US in the world. Read his book." Niether do I. I want my country to CEASE trying to run the entire world.

Here we go with the "spreading Democracy around the world" nonsense as the Repulican Party actively tears Democracy down here in the states, claiming, "We are not a democracy, we are a representative republic!". Attacking any citizen activist groups it disapproves of and disuading individual participation in the electoral process while bolstering corporate and plutocratic influence over it.

Can't have it both ways, my friend.

I say we stay concentrated on protecting our own borders, shorelines and shipping lanes while strengthening Democracy at home. We must get our own house in order first, or we will destroy ourselves trying to control everyone else.

You could say my approach to international affairs is more conservative than that of most modern day conservatives.

Dave