Obama vs the Supreme Court

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Bigerik

I like that. Freeloaders. People who are to sick to be able to work to afford their benefits. Obviously, they are of no use to society. We should just take them around back and shoot them. Much cheaper that way.

When I say 'freeloaders' I am referring to the healthy ones who won't buy insurance. Then they have an accident and head for Emergency.

The woman who started the case against ACA got dropped by the righties after she or her husband got sick, filed bankruptcy, lost her business.Then she did not look like quite the figurehead they wanted.

Ah screw it, our premiums are high but we can manage Pension is much better with the $CDN at $1.02 US and on top of that Bell gave me a COLA. So I might just adopt the Jack System along with all the righties here. Arguing with them is about as useful as shouting up a dead horse's arse.

[Bigerik]

Sure wasn't referring to you, Rob.

[merrylander]

Didn't think you were Erik, just clarifying my position. November will be interesting, lots of challengers in the primaries, we will likely see some heads roll. About six guys took a shot at Senator Ben, but since he is no DINO he wiped the floor with them. I bet that will not be the case in other states. Media has been so busy with the four clowns that nowt was said about other results.

[BlueStreak]

My middle sister Kristi, had to have open heart surgery a few years back. Her husband has health insurance from his GM retirement package, but for some reason they cover him but not her. Point is, she has no coverage. The cost for the surgery was in excess of $100k.

Here is what happens, Erik.

My sister and her husband dont have much. He's a moron (And a teabagger, BTW), who has already wrecked their finances, with idiotic get rich quick schemes and other completely boneheaded moves, for good. (Of course all of this is the federal governments fault........ somehow.)

Point is, they don't have that kind of money, so...........

She pays $20 a month towards the balance. She's 59. I'm pretty sure she'll never pay it off. They think this is perfectly fine, because they are paying the hospital back and it's not coming out of anyones tax money..............

I asked her if she understood that the reason why medical insurance is escallating like it is because others have to make up for those who don't pay. She got defensive and said; "But I am paying. And your not having to pay for me with your taxes."

"Kris, paying is paying. What difference does it really make if I'm paying through taxes, or insurance premiums?"

My point isn't that I don't want to help others out. I don't care if what I pay out is going to help other people.

My point is that I really think there are a lot of people out there who just really don't get how it works.

No matter what you do, you will always be paying for others, and the time will come when others will be paying for you. (Unless you can self pay....and what percentage of the population do you suppose can do that? Realistically.)

Under the ideas Whell presented costs could be reduced, no argument there. I did see some merits in it. But, if the goal is to cover everyone for life......It falls just as flat as any other plan, except straight up universal coverage.

And then someone bursts into, "Well I WORK FOR MINE!" or "Oh, people need clothes and food and what are you gonna do? Provide them with everything, you communist?!"
Whatever, I pay no attention to that bullshit anymore. We're talking healthcare and I see the problems that people using the system and not paying into the system is causing. And we can get sick, or injured at any point in our lifespans, whether we choose to believe it or not. It's a fact.

Something needs to be done.

Dave

[merrylander]

They just can't get it through their heads that people are this nation's greatest natural resource, true of any nation. So do we husband our resources or squander them? When people are unwell they do not run on all cylinders, not good for the economy IMO. Every other industrialized nation does this husbandry and at far less cost than we put into health care. I don't know about the rest of you folks but I like saving money. We don't have enough to go round lighting cigars with $20 bills, do you?

[Oerets]

If the ACA is overturned I see it as a big campaign issue. Slogans like "Medicare for all" and "Let's take back the Supreme Court!" being used by team Obama.


You ask most people and if honest they would be happy to have Medicare as a starting point. We need to get the for profit insurance companies out of the business of healthcare. Remove the middleman who does nothing but drive up the costs of care. For every dollar in profits they earn is a dollar not going for patient care.




Barney

[CarlV]

Maybe a "People Are People Too" is needed.

It is just fine to continue oil company welfare but screw the citizen that actually needs help or just an even break.

Senate Republicans reject Obama call to end 'big oil' tax breaks
http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/29/politi...ies/index.html

“I’m still paying off a $3,000 health care bill from last year when I had walking pneumonia and finally went to see the doctor. They ordered an X-ray of my chest, and my life hasn’t been the same since, trying to pay that medical bill. Of course, I’d have health insurance if I could afford it! Anybody would.”
And then she said something that turned the “individual health care mandate” opponents’ argument on its head: “I’m already forced to buy health care – but it’s in the emergency room. It’s almost bankrupting me. Do these guys think that’s my choice?”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/74779.html

Carl

[painter]

Originally Posted by RamblinE

When the government and the tax payer ends up footing the bill for people who don't have health insurance then the government is already involved and has the right to create a mandate like this. They're already paying for the faults of capitalist healthcare. It's expensive and it increases the deficit. Simply helping people to afford insurance would cut back on government spending in the long run, save people's lives and create a more productive work force. What's not to like?

May I digress? I recently spent time in the hospital as an outpatient. I have medicare and private insurance. My diagnostic tests were NOT all covered. A few days later...again as an outpatient and two surgical procedures that I thought would all be covered...were NOT! I almost collapsed when I received the bill. Are you aware...the recovery room charge is by the minute spent? I have yet to get the charges from the second procedures...SOOO excited! And come Monday suture removal day will warrent yet another fee.

Don't believe blindly as I did... that you can be well covered. Whether it be single payer or not. Money will surely come out of your pocket.
In my situation...I chose the coarse of action. My medical records are mine and private...not available to others that would make my course of treatment their decision...in my supposed... best interest.

[Charles]

The system is so fucked I don't know where we should start.

Other than remove PPACA, the best I can tell, all it's done is to fuck the system up even worse.

I still like my notion of enacting a system, where everyone from the POTUS to Otis is treated the same. And eliminate all of that goddamned red tape.

I don't know how any poor bastard can navigate through all of the different plans, price structures, coverages, and bullshit we have now.

In between trying to deal with the medical profession, the insurance companies, AND the government, it makes dealing with the cocksuckers down at the IRS a pleasure.

Perhaps I should go easy on the folks down at the IRS, they're just trying to make a living. What I meant is the cocksuckers who wrote the IRS statutes.

And the last time I looked, they're the same bunch of cocksuckers who wrote PPACA, along with the regulations which both the medical profession and the insurance companies operate under.

Chas

[Bigerik]

Sad how something that is so simple and straightforward in the rest of the civilized world is so convoluted and screwed up in America.

I'm really starting to believe that, other than a bloody and nasty revolution, there really is no way to fix this mess.