Who has changed their mind about Obama since 2008?

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by noonereal

His foreign policy has been very good so far his domestic spending bill to help the economy a disaster and his healthcare legislation a waste of time.

So yeah, he did a much better job than any greed filled, idiot pandering GOPer would have done so no I will not be turning to the republicans.

Originally Posted by Oerets

I voted for him in 08 and still will today. I have seen the man try to work with the other side only to have every attempt be meet with hostile actions and outright lies.

The way the Right is being run it will be a cold day in "...." before they will get a vote from me even for dog catcher!





Barney

Originally Posted by merrylander

AFAIK the GOP is the biggest threat this country has faced in a century, so yes I will vote for Obama.

+1, 0n all of the above.

Dave

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by noonereal

There were no rants in the replies.

Could it be you don't know what the word means?







In many cases, yes.








I agree, you may want to do more reading.




Sounds exactly like something you would do, wasn't that what this thread was about?

Couldn't have said it any better.

Dave

[BlueStreak]

Why is the GOP so determined to play down the economic recovery? What is with all of the fearmongering? (Have you seen Santorums "Obamaville" ad for instance?).

It's because they have little else and they know it. They have to keep people frightened and angry, or they will lose. Santorum is obsessed with his silly social issues and Romney is the worst liar and waffler to come along in a long time, if not in the entire history of this country.

Dave

[d-ray657]

I will continue to support Obama in the '12 election. I think a large portion of the negative perception of him is the right wing noise machine. Otherwise, how would a stimulus plan that included a significant tax cut be represented as raising taxes?

My biggest criticism of Obama might also be what has kept us from economic disaster. He has compromised with a group that is not inclined to compromise. He gave up on eliminating the high bracket Bush tax cuts; he gave in on the debt ceiling debacle; he short-armed the stimulus; and he put up with far too much sausage making in the health care bill. But he was able to get the stimulus passed, and did get the ball rolling on health care reform (flawed, but a start). He certainly appears to have made the right choice in the auto industry.

Even though they continue to try to do so, Obama has given the GOP no real reason to portray him as weak in foreign policy. He has more narrowly focused the war on terrorism & he has rebuilt relationships with other countries. I did not like the extension of the Afghanistan involvement, but I can't complain that much, because he campaigned on doing so. There is considerable world support for the US position on Iran (even if pro-Israel hawks are not satisfied with it.) He has allowed an Arab consensus to develop in dealing with Syria.

Another area where the right wing noise machine alters perceptions of reality is in immigration. Obama's administration has been considerably more effective in deporting illegal entrants and in diminishing the number who make it across than was the last administration. Unfortunately, he can't garner support for a practical way of dealing with a population that has become integrated within our society.

Besides the clowns the GOP has paraded through the primaries, one big anti-GOP reason dwarfs all of the others as a reason to support Obama. The Supreme Court. We are already stuck with a relatively young conservative majority - and some of their decisions have been devastating - but the potential for two or more GOP appointed justices would prolong the deterioration of that branch for years and years.

Nah, I haven't changed my mind.

Regards,

D-Ray

[mezz]

Originally Posted by noonereal

He got us out of Iraq, killed Bin, got an A+ in Libya has kept us safe from domestic terror, has delayed Iran in achieving their goals and has brought back a level of respect to the USA that was though impossible when George got done.

Let me ask you something. How can you be oblivious to all this?

Are you a Palin?

Obama's policy on Lybia was/is weak and is potentially dangerous. What direction is the Lybian government going in now? The Libyan Transitional National Council, led by Mustafa Abdel Jalil has already been in talks with Iranian officials and Iran continues to call the Arab spring an "Islamic Awakening". Lybia looks more like our mistake in abandoning a post USSR occupied Afghanistan back in 1989 than any kind of responsible policy with regards to Lybia.

Killing Bin Laden isn't really something Obama should be bragging about without looking foolish. I can't imagine a president who wouldn't have signed that order. He`s bragging about something, that if he didn't sign the order to proceed, he`d be covering up ever since.

On Iran your comments cry out for the AFAIK qualifier which was wisely used above by Merrylander above. Iran has arguably advanced its agenda more in 3 years of Obama than in the preceding 30 or so years since 1980. Iran`s influence has grown and Iran`s boldness reaching unprecedented levels under Obama`s cut-and-run foreign policy stance.

[mezz]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

+1, 0n all of the above.

Dave

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Couldn't have said it any better.

Dave

What happens after 3 of these... a spontaneous break out into Cum Bye Ya?

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by mezz

I must admit to being a little bit unclear as to exactly what accomplishments in this arena thus far would warrant a grade of "very good".

Bombing the crap out of anything that moves seems to be very popular with the peaceful left.

Even though I didn't agree with what I though might be his plan (2 years in the Senate - who knew?) I expected him to do SOMETHING. And before my friends on the left poo-poo me (I hope never to use that phrase again) I will admit his election was very exciting, and I was happy to see a black man elected.

But no CHANGE after all.

Pete

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by mezz

...On Iran your comments cry out for the AFAIK qualifier which was wisely used above by Merrylander above. Iran has arguably advanced its agenda more in 3 years of Obama than in the preceding 30 or so years since 1980. Iran`s influence has grown and Iran`s boldness reaching unprecedented levels under Obama`s cut-and-run foreign policy stance.

Actually that should have been AFAIAC as in Concerned. You have been listening to some strange newscasts, what "Cut and Run" foreign policy? General Tommy Franks blew Tora Bora, Iraq was a complete disaster and Obama inherited both along with a military brass that cannot seem to admit that there was not, nor is not, a damn thing to "win" in either theatre. Public opinion, in case you have not noticed, wants us out of both places. The three major tribes in Afghanistan. along with the meddling of the Pakistani miltary will ensure that the Taliban will eventually take over.

Those were both "Guns and Butter" wars, no taxes were raised to pay for them, rather taxes were cut. The only people who felt that we were at war were those fighting them and their families.

George W was closer to the center that the current crop of Repubs, if we let people like Paul Ryan into power it will be a bloody disaster. How anyone in their right mind can extol a man who follows the teachings of a married 40 year old Russian emigre who played footsie with a mirried 20 year old man escapes me. Enlightened self interest? Yes spelt GREED

The party of family values? Oh please.

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by mezz

Obama's policy on Lybia was/is weak and is potentially dangerous. What direction is the Lybian government going in now? The Libyan Transitional National Council, led by Mustafa Abdel Jalil has already been in talks with Iranian officials and Iran continues to call the Arab spring an "Islamic Awakening". Lybia looks more like our mistake in abandoning a post USSR occupied Afghanistan back in 1989 than any kind of responsible policy with regards to Lybia.

Killing Bin Laden isn't really something Obama should be bragging about without looking foolish. I can't imagine a president who wouldn't have signed that order. He`s bragging about something, that if he didn't sign the order to proceed, he`d be covering up ever since.

On Iran your comments cry out for the AFAIK qualifier which was wisely used above by Merrylander above. Iran has arguably advanced its agenda more in 3 years of Obama than in the preceding 30 or so years since 1980. Iran`s influence has grown and Iran`s boldness reaching unprecedented levels under Obama`s cut-and-run foreign policy stance.

Any increase in Iran's influence can be traced to the emasculation of the balance of power in the region provided by Iraq. In any event, the economic sanctions have broad support and are appearing to have some effect.

It appears that you approve of the decision Obama made with respect to Bin Laden. BTW, he could have done it the easy way with a drone, but decided that there was value in certainty - the ability to confirm that Bin Laden was actually eliminated - which could only be accomplished with the method followed.

Regards,

D-Ray

[bobabode]

Someone's trolling lord- kumbaya

I'm voting for President Obama in 2012 and 2016!