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noonereal · #**301** 03-30-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Instead of the white man, shouldn't the reverse example be a black guy 'stalking' a hispanic guy?

Pete

Answer the question Pete. Answer the question.

If a black man chased a white kid and then a scuffle ensued and the black man killed the white kid with a gun as a result would we be talking about "should the black man be arrested?"

Answer the question.

wgrr · #**302** 03-30-2012, 05:31 PM

Zimmeran has two huge hurdles to get over.

I heard a 20 year veteran of the Miami PD explain. As long as he was in his SUV following Trayvon he was just fine because he was in his personal space. The minute he exited the vehicle to pursue Trayvon on foot, armed with a weapon, he ceased to be a neighborhood watch guard and became a play cop. It is not legal for a citizen to chase (stalk) another citizen with the intention of stopping him, detaining him, questioning him, and or using deadly force to stop him. That is the job the police who were on their way, To bad they arrived five minutes too late.

The other problem is that the actions of Zimmerman gave Trayvon the right to "stand his ground". Zimmerman can't use that defense. He was the one chasing Trayvon. Trayvon had every right in the world to bust his nose and beat, what he thought was an attacker, head on the sidewalk. I see no evidence of that actually happening at all though.

Here is my personal opinion of what happened. Zimmerman chased Trayvon down and pulled the gun on him. Then he told him to lay face down on the ground, while doing his best cop impersonation, and was going to hold him at gun point until the cops showed up. Things went terribly wrong at that point. Trayvon started to scream for help. At that moment, for whatever reason, Trayvon was shot and killed by Zimmerman. who perpetuated the entire incident in the first place.

BlueStreak · #**303** 03-30-2012, 05:40 PM

We shall see. But, if I were to venture a guess.....I'd have to agree. Wannabe Dirty Harry wasn't about to let that little punk off easy.

Sound pretty realistic to me.

Dave

painter · #**304** 03-30-2012, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Charles

BTW, this is why they write laws like that.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lind-date.html

Should we be outraged about this as well?

Chas

God Bless this man....he CARES and needs to be heard it reflects ANY RACE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoxQbnVx4TU

d-ray657 · #**305** 03-30-2012, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by painter

God Bless this man....he CARES and needs to be heard it reflects ANY RACE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoxQbnVx4TU

Good for the mayor for speaking about about the issues affecting his city, but the Trayvon Bryant case has nothing to do with Philadelphia gang activity. He was visiting his father, giving the impression that his father was involved. The mayor was telling parents that they have to be involved and guide their kids away from gang activity. Trayvon was returning to his father's house with Skittles and iced tea. What was going on it that video had no relevance to this issue.

Regards,

D-Ray

Charles · #**306** 03-31-2012, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by d-ray657

Good for the mayor for speaking about about the issues affecting his city, but the Trayvon Bryant case has nothing to do with Philadelphia gang activity. He was visiting his father, giving the impression that his father was involved. The mayor was telling parents that they have to be involved and guide their kids away from gang activity. Trayvon was returning to his father's house with Skittles and iced tea. What was going on it that video had no relevance to this issue.

Regards,

D-Ray

Trayvon Bryant???

Next the left will be claiming that Zimmerman was a vigilante who murdered little Tyerone Shoelaces on his way to bassball practice!!!

Chas

noonereal · #**307** 03-31-2012, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Charles

Trayvon Bryant???

Next the left will be claiming that Zimmerman was a vigilante who murdered little Tyerone Shoelaces on his way to bassball practice!!!

Chas

That's about what happened.

It seems fat boy has a habit of not listening to the police and being physical to get his way. Even punching a cop.

I have assumed up to now that Trayvon did indeed throw the first punch in a defensive move since he was being stalked. But now it seems more likely that the fat bastard decided that he wanted the kid to stop and was going to physically stop him.

Either way this clown should be in jail. He is a murderer.

OK maybe I am slow but other than being "connected" why is this guy not in jail?

noonereal · #**308** 03-31-2012, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Charles

BTW, this is why they write laws like that.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lind-date.html

Should we be outraged about this as well?

Chas

Both murderers should be in jail. What is your point?
We did not need this new law in the case you posted. Had the man been able to kill the guy that broke in with a gun he was completely within his rights under the old laws. We all wish he could have.

The fat boy case is completely different.

noonereal · #**309** 03-31-2012, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by wgrr

I Bet if Trayvon Martin (the victim) had been white and Zimmerman (the shooter) had been black, Zimmerman would have been shackled in the basement of the police station, in a matter of minutes after the shooting, waiting for the lynch mob to arrive..

We all know this. The problem here is that so many people are so determined to justify "guns for self defense" that they refuse to acknowledge this.

This case has nothing to do with self defense, NOTHING.

This case has to do with a loop hole in the law that allows a law savvy maniac to stalk and murder stereotypes he does not like.

With or without this law if a black male killed a white kid on his way home from buying candy NO MATTER WHAT the black man claimed he would be in jail with no chance of ever seeing the light of day again.

I am sick of folks denying this simple truth.

noonereal · #**310** 03-31-2012, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Charles

I recall, and the circumstances were different.

As to the law itself in relation to this particular instance, either it was poorly written or the police didn't do their job.

Chas

We both know who you know is more important than anything else in this country.

It just might let this fat guy off of a murder charge.