The House just voted

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by Ohighway

Good point in your first paragraph. If it was a bad idea then, it's a bad idea now. When do we collectively say "enough" and demand a cure to that ?

Apparently when people you voted for are no longer taking away my rights and persecuting people who don't live the way you live. This is just noise that has nothing at all to do with the issue at hand.

As for cost overruns and such, sorry, but again, this is different from everything ever done how? Why do we care all of a sudden now? Were you marching on Washington saying "This Iraq thing is a bad idea- cost over runs will kill our economy"? I suspect not. Your arguments are arguments that could be used against any piece of legislation. I find it ironic that people who rolled on just fine while passing things I didn't agree with are all of a sudden so worried about the process.

If you do a little research on the proposal, no services will be cut for people on Medicade or Medicare. Think about it. Look at the post earlier asking for the free health care. Well there isn't free health care, but there will be better access to health care at lower prices. So we won't need as many supplemental programs to make it work. Look, that's a very quick and shoddy overview, but there is plenty of information available about this if you're really interested. But most people who are yelling about this kind of thing are just looking for some reason to be against it. I hope you're not one of them.

And Medicare *is* more efficient than private insurance. Again, there is a lot of information on this. Medicare is a great example of how well the Government actually does this kind of thing. Expanding it is a great way to cover more people with high quality, lower cost medical care.

Take care,

Ed

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by Twodogs

I watched the whole deal on CSPAN last night, and it seems to me, the republicans goofed. Had they voted down the abortion amendment, I don't think the big bill would have passed. I don't think it matters too awfully much anyway, as I doubt very seriously if the Senate will pass it as is. I also feel confident that if the Senate surprises me and does pass it, the Supreme court will be ruling on how constitutional it is to fine and jail a person who chooses not to buy insurance. If by some miracle, it passes through all the obstacles before it and becomes law, it will be the first time since the draft that the government has been able to compel citizens to do something like this. I wouldn't give it a snowballs chance in hell as is. Here's a question that I've been pondering as well; if the Senate does shoot it down, how long will it be before it comes up again?

Next year if it didn't pass. Who knows how long it will go on, however, with Lieberman going along with the GOP stall tactics.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Ohighway]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

Apparently when people you voted for are no longer taking away my rights and persecuting people who don't live the way you live.

Hey Eddie,

I don't mind having a discussion with you. However can you leave out accusatory stuff like you posted above ? Just because I don't think this health care bill is a good idea, don't go assuming you know who I voted for, how I feel about everything in general, nor the way I live, etc.

thanks, Ohighway

[Charles]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Next year if it didn't pass. Who knows how long it will go on, however, with Lieberman going along with the GOP stall tactics.

Regards,

D-Ray

But, but....I though Holy Joe was the "Conscious of the Senate", at least while he was still a Donk.

And when I gaze upon these 100 worthies, I think that he still is.

But I grade on the curve.

Chas

[Charles]

If this does pass, I wonder how many people are going to quit med school in favor of becoming stockbrokers.

Chas

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Ohighway

Hey Eddie,

I don't mind having a discussion with you. However can you leave out accusatory stuff like you posted above ? Just because I don't think this health care bill is a good idea, don't go assuming you know who I voted for, how I feel about everything in general, nor the way I live, etc.

thanks, Ohighway

Now this is exactly the response I would expect from a right wing, bible thumping, snake kissing, Beck induced fringitic!!!!

Damn peckerwood!!!!

Chas

[merrylander]

Given the amount of money the industry spent* trying to stop it I find it rather amazing that it went through.

*Do you know we are the only country that legalizes bribery? Oh I know, they call it Lobbying and the Supremes blessed it so my understanding of English must be bad 'cause I see nowt in the Constitution that favors it.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Given the amount of money the industry spent* trying to stop it I find it rather amazing that it went through.

*Do you know we are the only country that legalizes bribery? Oh I know, they call it Lobbying and the Supremes blessed it so my understanding of English must be bad 'cause I see nowt in the Constitution that favors it.

I didn't know that.

Chas

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by Ohighway

Hey Eddie,

I don't mind having a discussion with you. However can you leave out accusatory stuff like you posted above ? Just because I don't think this health care bill is a good idea, don't go assuming you know who I voted for, how I feel about everything in general, nor the way I live, etc.

thanks, Ohighway

I notice you didn't say I was wrong. Yeah, I have a reputation for being offensive around here. People don't like my particular brand of mirror. I'm trying. Looks like I'm failing. I'll keep working on it.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Charles

But I have come up with a new way to evaluate legislation. I figure that if you're for it, then I should be against it!!!!!

Good grief! That attitude is precisely what's wrong with our current batch of Republicans. They oppose absolutely everything the Dems put forward, purely on principle. Then they whine about a lack of bipartisanship.

John