I hope this has not already been posted. I find it very disturbing

[Wasillaguy]

Originally Posted by Bigerik

The facts as we know it are:

A 17 year old was visiting family in the complex. (Dad's France)
He decided to walk to the store to get a snack and talked on the phone while doing so.
He was spotted by a resident who thought he was suspicious.
That resident then called the police (911) who told him to wait and let them handle the situation.
The resident chooses to ignore the police and take the matter into his own hands.
He follows the teen.
An Altercation ensues.
He shoots the teen who dies.

Anything wrong with any of this?

Yes, as a matter of fact.
1. The dispatcher did not tell him to wait and let them handle the situation. The dispatcher asked if Zimmerman was following the kid. Zimmerman said yes. The dispatcher then said "ok, we don't need you to do that". They never said wait, they never said let them handle the situation. They never told him he should go back to his residence. In fact, the dispatcher suggested he meet the enroute officer "at the mailboxes" and Zimmerman said "just have him call me for where I'll be".
2. He did not ignore the police. The dispatcher said they didn't need him to follow. That's a whole world different than saying "do not follow him".

Zimmerman obviously was frustrated that the police had not been effective at stopping the criminal activity in the area, and may have decided that while the police didn't "need" him to follow the guy, he was going to do it anyway. BUT, we don't know that's the case. The kid may have circled around on Zimmerman and surprised him. I find it hard to fathom that Zimmerman could have caught up with him if in fact the kid were running back to the residence he was visiting, which you would think would be the natural course of action when you're in a strange area you don't live in and you're just out getting some candy before the game starts.
But, I guess the kid could have stumbled and fell down, and fatty was able to catch up and plug him for fun, then quickly smash his own head into the ground before anyone comes along. You think that's what happened?

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Is it normal to attack people?

Pete

I think this is the first time I have ever been angered by a post of yours.

This kid was being stalked by this idiot (who would not have done this if he did not have a gun). The kid knew he was being stalked and stopped to confront the guy as is normal.

Are you gonna tell me that if some mother Fu-ker is running after you in the rain you are not gonna be spooked and fight back? Of course you would.

But because you love guns and hate "the hood" and people from it you are making all kinds of excuses.

Maybe you are from a differant world than I but I can tell you now I absolutely would have done the same thing this kid did when I was young. Even today I would never allow someone to pursue me while I just wondered what and when he might attack me. This guy became the threat to this kid and the kid reacted nornmally, he stuck out to avoid being a victom. Sadly it did not save him.


In summation, this fat Fu-k felt like a tough guy and went out to find trouble where there was none just to make himself feel "big."

Now a young man is dead.

The fat Fu... is now a criminal.

That's that.

And yeah is there a way to donate to get this guy arrested?

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

Yes, as a matter of fact.
1. The dispatcher did not tell him to wait and let them handle the situation. The dispatcher asked if Zimmerman was following the kid. Zimmerman said yes. The dispatcher then said "ok, we don't need you to do that". They never said wait, they never said let them handle the situation. They never told him he should go back to his residence. In fact, the dispatcher suggested he meet the enroute officer "at the mailboxes" and Zimmerman said "just have him call me for where I'll be".
2. He did not ignore the police. The dispatcher said they didn't need him to follow. That's a whole world different than saying "do not follow him".

Zimmerman obviously was frustrated that the police had not been effective at stopping the criminal activity in the area, and may have decided that while the police didn't "need" him to follow the guy, he was going to do it anyway. BUT, we don't know that's the case. The kid may have circled around on Zimmerman and surprised him. I find it hard to fathom that Zimmerman could have caught up with him if in fact the kid were running back to the residence he was visiting, which you would think would be the natural course of action when you're in a strange area you don't live in and you're just out getting some candy before the game starts.
But, I guess the kid could have stumbled and fell down, and fatty was able to catch up and plug him for fun, then quickly smash his own head into the ground before anyone comes along. You think that's what happened?

Some of the posts here are simple amazing.

""The dispatcher did not tell him to wait and let them handle the situation. The dispatcher asked if Zimmerman was following the kid. Zimmerman said yes. The dispatcher then said "ok, we don't need you to do that". They never said wait"

That is in no way different to anyone not agenda driven than saying don't follow him.


All this post does is tell me how determined you are to not break out of the stereotype you hold over life in an inner city and your intolerance and disregard for the humans who live there.

[BlueStreak]

The left assumes racism and automatically seeks prosecution of the shooter---without knowing all of the facts.

The right assumes the left is using race as an excuse to "attack" the guy with the gun.
And rush to defend him---without knowing all of the facts.

Maybe they were both just a couple of hot headed idiots who crossed paths in the dark of night?

Dave

[Wasillaguy]

BigErik asked if there was anything factually incorrect in his post. There was, and I pointed it out.

[piece-itpete]

To make it non racial I am starting the New White Tigers. Send the money to me and we'll lynch him.

If I was followed I would ask, but be aggressive and at the ready. I do not carry a gun but always have a knife. This from spending so much time in the hood, even now, although apparently I hate it.

It's a nice place to visit... people tend to be more down to earth.

But brother you'd better hope a kid doesn't run into the street and you hit him. You'd find out what vigilante justice is and right quick.

Pete

[noonereal]

You know what I think?

I think the black panthers should arm themselves and start chasing white people home in the suburbs when they leave the supermarket. If any of them fight back they should shoot them.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by noonereal

I would never allow someone to pursue me while I just wondered what and when he might attack me.

I might but he'd be pursuing me towards my turf.

Playing a metaphorical home game often gives a psychological advantage.

So much so, in fact, that it might seem reasonable to (insert voice edging towards maniacal, here) plug some little negro who has the audacity to talk back when I'm laying the community watch smackdown on his hoodie wearing ass...

Sigh.

[Wasillaguy]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Maybe they were both just a couple of hot headed idiots who crossed paths in the dark of night?

Dave

I think that's as close to the mark as we can get right now Dave. The assertion that no one would have died if there was no gun is entirely wrong though. People can and are killed in many other ways, including bashing skull into concrete.

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

The left assumes racism and automatically seeks prosecution of the shooter---without knowing all of the facts.

The right assumes the left is using race as an excuse to "attack" the guy with the gun.
And rush to defend him---without knowing all of the facts.

Maybe they were both just a couple of hot headed idiots who crossed paths in the dark of night?

Dave

I thought it was fun Dave

Pete