I hope this has not already been posted. I find it very disturbing

[Wasillaguy]

Originally Posted by Zeke

I'm more concerned about "something in the personality" of folks who would walk around carrying the very item that increases the odds of that which they say they're trying to prevent from occurring. It is completely illogical unless your addressing some sort of personal thumb-sucking blanket need.

Oh, wait...

I guess you were never a Boy Scout, huh Zeke? There's nothing wrong with being prepared.
It has been known to rain now and then. In fact, you could get a flat tire in the rain on your way to try to find food and water. Then someone might try to take what little you have left, threatening you with a switchblade, and there you'd be soaking wet, without a jack or an umbrella, all hungry and wishing you had a gun. All because you couldn't see the logic in being prepared.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by finnbow

What I find interesting/dismaying is that even a well trained police officer is subject to an investigation each and every time he discharges his gun, with enhanced scrutiny if someone is killed. These ridiculous "stand your ground" laws grant immunity if you feel threatened, thereby leading police departments where such laws are in force to turn a blind eye to vigilante justice.

Think about it. Many (most?) people packing heat are doing so because something about their personality results in them feeling threatened/endangered in the same circumstances where others likely don't. Do we now allow these insecure ninnies to act out their fears through the barrel of a gun without accountability? How about if I feel threatened by a squeegee kid? Can I just run him over and keep on driving secure in the belief that I am immune from prosecution because he made me feel uncomfortable?

Finn, Castle Doctrine or "stand your ground" laws do not grant immunity for the use of lethal force, they grant a defense. At least that's the understanding I have of the Missouri law.

They are not a "007 license to kill" law, much less a license for vigilante justice. You pull that shit and you WILL be going to jail. And that's the way it should be.

Furthermore, you generalizations about people who have CCW permits and their reasons for having them are nothing more than that...generalizations. By your own admission you are nervous around people with concealed weapons, even those you feel are more qualified to be in possession of a firearm than even yourself.

As far as insecure ninnies acting out their fears through the barrel of a gun, here's someone who knows a little more about it that you do. And his point is, as probably the vast majority of licensed CCW holders already know, it that you're not carrying a "get out of jail free" permit.

http://www.gunsandammo.com/2011/05/2...real-shooting/

And take into consideration that not everyone is as stupid as you would like to think.

Chas

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

I guess you were never a Boy Scout, huh Zeke? There's nothing wrong with being prepared.
It has been known to rain now and then. In fact, you could get a flat tire in the rain on your way to try to find food and water. Then someone might try to take what little you have left, threatening you with a switchblade, and there you'd be soaking wet, without a jack or an umbrella, all hungry and wishing you had a gun. All because you couldn't see the logic in being prepared.

LMAO!!!!!!!!

Great post!!!!

It's gettin' cloudy here, I'll go get my gun.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Charles

Finn, Castle Doctrine or "stand your ground" laws do not grant immunity for the use of lethal force, they grant a defense. At least that's the understanding I have of the Missouri law.

Though related, Castle Doctrine and "Stand Your Ground" are 2 different things. Castle Doctrine is Common Law applicable everywhere in the country inside your residence. "Stand Your Ground" essentially extends, by state legislation, the geographic limits of the Castle Doctrine (your 4 walls) to the entire land mass of your state (and immunizes the use of firearms for perceived self-defense needs outside the home). And yes, the word "immunity" is indeed used in "Stand Your Ground" legislation. Therein lies the rub.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

I guess you were never a Boy Scout, huh Zeke? There's nothing wrong with being prepared.
It has been known to rain now and then. In fact, you could get a flat tire in the rain on your way to try to find food and water. Then someone might try to take what little you have left, threatening you with a switchblade, and there you'd be soaking wet, without a jack or an umbrella, all hungry and wishing you had a gun. All because you couldn't see the logic in being prepared.

Holy shit!

Getting rained on, while trying to change a flat with no jack as a psychopath tries to kill you for those last three Skittles you have stashed in your underpants after the Obama induced apocalyse has caused you to cannibalize the wife, kids and Phil, the family Basset Hound/Shar-pei mix!

Whoa! With an imagination like that, you should be making movies!

WTF? And I'm the one that's been on Vicodin for a week...........

So, tell me; Is that tin foil I see poking out from under your hat?

Dave

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

A grown armed man, of much greater physical stature, fears for his life because the unarmed person he shot was wearing a "Hoodie"? He called 911 before the fact to let the police know he was going to shoot the kid?
Sorry, but it does wreak of premeditated murder. It really does. We shall see, after the trial.

There are plenty of seventeen year olds that are quite capable of murder regardless of their physical stature. I think more information will come out in this particular case. We already know that Zimmerman's face was bloodied along with the back of his head. Further, according to the police report, third parties have corroborated Zimmerman's account. The media and the usual race vultures, Sharpton and Jackson, are in full throttle mode to convict Zimmerman without full knowledge of the facts.

Where's the outrage regarding the white kid burned alive on his own porch by the black kids a few weeks ago? Where was Sharpton or Jackson or Obama wrt that case? There also was no media frenzy regarding that case. Why?

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Think about it. Many (most?) people packing heat are doing so because something about their personality results in them feeling threatened/endangered in the same circumstances where others likely don't. Do we now allow these insecure ninnies to act out their fears through the barrel of a gun without accountability? How about if I feel threatened by a squeegee kid? Can I just run him over and keep on driving secure in the belief that I am immune from prosecution because he made me feel uncomfortable?

That's quite a conclusion Finn. Are Law Enforcement Officers also insecure because they carry a gun?

[barbara]

The bottom line here is that no one would have been shot dead if there were no gun involved in the situation. They might have scuffled, bloodied a nose or blackened an eye.... But no one would have been shot dead if there hadn't been a gun there.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by bhunter

That's quite a conclusion Finn. Are Law Enforcement Officers also insecure because they carry a gun?

No, but they're trained and accountable.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

I guess you were never a Boy Scout, huh Zeke? There's nothing wrong with being prepared.

Except for when being "prepared" is the very crux of the actual problem.