Barack H. Obama and your Second Amendment Rights !

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

The hypothetical shooter COULDN'T be shooting in self defense if the other wasn't threatening him.

"Threatening" is nowhere near lethal force and nowhere near justifying a lethal response.

And escalating -- through the introduction of a firearm -- any sort of incident to lethal force is ALWAYS the fault of the person who did it.

In nearly every model offered in this thread, that has been John Q and not the alleged criminal.

[piece-itpete]

The prosecutor and or the jury decides.....

Pete

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by epifanatic

Save your keystrokes Zeke, the keyboard commandos will never get it.

QFT.

Dave

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Big_Bill

The first confrontation occurred as I escorted my wife to a business in Camden, NJ. The business turned out to be on an old industrial section, with most of the businesses closed down. As we approached the building, two men exited a deep dark doorway and came towed us. I placed her behind me, and watched the two men continue to approach us. I opened my coat when they reached about 6 feet from us. At that point one of the men opened his coat. at that time I drew my pistol, and informed him that I do not have anything worth dieing for, and that I do not wish to kill him, but will if he makes me. He closed his coat and returned to their dark doorway. We conducted her business and I left the building first, with my gun in my hand and my hand in my coat pocket, I checked the area out, gathered my wife, and exited in our car.

The second attack, Occurred on a darkened city street. Three men walked out of the entryway of a closed Movie Theater in front of us, demanding money, I informed them that I had none. They insisted that I give them my wallet so that they could see for themselves. There leader began approaching us, I stepped in front of my wife and daughter and drew my pistol, pointing it directly at his head and told him to leave, he laughed and informed me that there were three of them, and I responded that, that's two bullets each, more than enough. He looked back at his accomplices and they encouraged him to leave. Which they did.

These occurrences are not exciting, it is not necessary to prove my ability with a firearm, only to insure the safety of my family.

I have never found pleasure killing anything. But I also learned many years ago; "That a Mans Got To Do, When A Mans Got To Do It". Meaning to the best of my understanding, that A Man must do things he finds distasteful or unpleasant, If he is to be a MAN.

Sincerely,

Bill

Less than two blocks from my house I had a man threaten to kill me, because he asked me for a smoke and I told him I didn't have any. "Don't smoke." He demanded I give him some money so he could "buy" some cigarettes. I told him, "Blow me.".

"Muthafucka, I will KILL you!"

"Do it."

"What?"

"My life pretty much sucks anyhow. Just fuckin' kill me and get it over with, dumbass. If you gonna do it, do it, you piece of shit."

He stepped back and let me go. Stared at me, stunned, as I walked away.

Sometimes all you need is a bad attitude and to be seen as a little bit crazy.

Then again, I never saw a gun and I doubt he really had one.

Dave

[piece-itpete]

LOL! Have to have the wife try that on a rapist

Pete

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Less than two blocks from my house I had a man threaten to kill me, because he asked me for a smoke and I told him I didn't have any. "Don't smoke." He demanded I give him some money so he could "buy" some cigarettes. I told him, "Blow me.".

"Muthafucka, I will KILL you!"

"Do it."

"What?"

"My life pretty much sucks anyhow. Just fuckin' kill me and get it over with, dumbass. If you gonna do it, do it, you piece of shit."

He stepped back and let me go. Stared at me, stunned, as I walked away.

Sometimes all you need is a bad attitude and to be seen as a little bit crazy.

Then again, I never saw a gun and I doubt he really had one.

Dave

Just ask a policeman how smart that was. You would be surprised how many of the dead have surprised looks on there faces who say similar things to gun holders... "He told me to do it"


Luckily for me I do not remember much from the time disarming a purse snacher years ago. Just the adrenalin and everything a blur. But he was trying to shoot just fumbled at a bad time. I still don't know how his arm got hurt to this day.

I have lifetime CCP but so far never felt the need to carry other then when going the range.



Barney

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Oerets

You would be surprised how many of the dead have surprised looks on there faces who say similar things to gun holders... "He told to do it"

Which is why -- of course -- we need less gun holders...

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Which is why -- of course -- we need less gun holders...

I think it should be harder for people to get guns. But still available just a requirement of proficiency and common sense. Know the laws and safety sort of things. I'm sure most know more then a few gun owners who fit in the unfit category. But because of the laws on the books they can own one.



Barney

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Oerets

I think it should be harder for people to get guns. But still available just a requirement of proficiency and common sense. Know the laws and safety sort of things. I'm sure most know more then a few gun owners who fit in the unfit category. But because of the laws on the books they can own one.



Barney

Concur.

I'm not Draconian but think there should be a modicum of sanity.

[Bigerik]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Concur.

I'm not Draconian but think there should be a modicum of sanity.

Sanity? When did you acquire such a taste for luxuries?