How would you fix the economy ?

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Once I weeded through all of your goofy fish analogies, I came to a few simple questions.

Taxes? Hmmmm. I got a small tax cut lately. Yeah, it's not much, but it is a tax cut. But there are still people tossing tea.........Hmmmm, WTF?

Dave

Fish analogies just made me barf.

Those 'Tea Parties' are as phony as the first one was.

[BlueStreak]

Well, I'm off to feed the Sharks again.

We had a very interesting meeting yeaterday. We were told by our ingenious captains of capitalsit industry that their new strategy for the plants future is to ,(basically), supply our customers with less choices at a lower quality level.

All of this in a bad economy? I guess I'll be the next to join the ranks of the unemployed?

Dumbasses.

Dave

[HatchetJack]

Ok, lets try this again: Farmer Brown runs the old family farm. He has a nice
home complete with a nice barn, a new tractor, a restored muscle car and
his wife drives a Lexus. One day the chickens, goats band together and
demand he feed them more because he has too much money. He and his wife
really didnt earn it anyway. So Farmer brown has no choice but to double
the animals rations. The animals pigged out and refused to work. They got
in terrible shape and now want farmer Brown to pony up for their healthcare
that they didnt need when they grazed the pastures. Farmer Brown is now
in debt that he cant pay and owes money the animals never realized took
to run the Farm. Farmer Brown's brother bought a farm in China after the
last uprising of the Chickens and goats and is now sitting pretty because
his Chickens and Goats are content with what they have and now he sells
his goods at much lower prices than his brother back in America can. The
Chickens and goats will eventually see what has happened to them and
vote in Farmer Browns favor but as soon as their situation improves they
will once again vote against themselves not even realizing it especially if
he dynamites the beaver dams that were a threat to the property.

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by HatchetJack

Ok, lets try this again: Farmer Brown runs the old family farm. He has a nice
home complete with a nice barn, a new tractor, a restored muscle car and
his wife drives a Lexus. One day the chickens, goats band together and
demand he feed them more because he has too much money. He and his wife
really didnt earn it anyway. So Farmer brown has no choice but to double
the animals rations. The animals pigged out and refused to work. They got
in terrible shape and now want farmer Brown to pony up for their healthcare
that they didnt need when they grazed the pastures. Farmer Brown is now
in debt that he cant pay and owes money the animals never realized took
to run the Farm. Farmer Brown's brother bought a farm in China after the
last uprising of the Chickens and goats and is now sitting pretty because
his Chickens and Goats are content with what they have and now he sells
his goods at much lower prices than his brother back in America can. The
Chickens and goats will eventually see what has happened to them and
vote in Farmer Browns favor but as soon as their situation improves they
will once again vote against themselves not even realizing it especially if
he dynamites the beaver dams that were a threat to the property.

Pleased to meet you Mr. Orwell.

Another fairy tale where the workers are reduced to animals. Workers are human beings who contribute to the production of wealth.

Nevertheless, let's follow through with the analogy. If left to his own devices, the farmer will give the animals just enough to eat so that they stay fat until they are butchered. He doesn't want them to be able to afford a house of their own; they'e got a barn to live in, right. (Oops that's sounds like a commune). If they get too sick to work, or if an illness devalues their meat, he shoots them. He'll only pay the vet bills when he's sure he'll get a return on the investment. They are only allowed to have sex when he determines he wants to increase the herd. Otherwise, there's no need to engage in such sinful behavior. What's the retirement plan - the glue factory. He was a productive horse when he was young, but now he adds more to the bottom line as a carcas to be sold for scrap. As long as the bottom line works out, the farmer is happy. If one or two of the farm animals meet their maker along the way, that's just the cost of doing business.

Regards,

D-Ray

Regards,

D-Ray

[HatchetJack]

Sorry D-Ray, I know it aint fair but thats the way it is, always has been and the only way the machine runs. Everybody cant be Chief and Boss Hog's gotta eat.

[d-ray657]

That type of attitude by employers is the best help a union organizer could ask for. Workers who are treated like animals, who don't receive medical benefits, who are sent packing at management's whim, and who are paid whatever the employer sees fit to pay, are going to be sufficiently antagonized that they will be desperate for someone to show them how to combine their forces for the benefit of all.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Charles]

When I was 18, and worked at the turkey plant, we were represented by the Teamsters. We didn't get paid shit.

Now my Dad drove a truck, and was represented by the Teamsters. He did well.

Go figure.

Chas

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Pleased to meet you Mr. Orwell.

Another fairy tale where the workers are reduced to animals. Workers are human beings who contribute to the production of wealth.

Nevertheless, let's follow through with the analogy. If left to his own devices, the farmer will give the animals just enough to eat so that they stay fat until they are butchered. He doesn't want them to be able to afford a house of their own; they'e got a barn to live in, right. (Oops that's sounds like a commune). If they get too sick to work, or if an illness devalues their meat, he shoots them. He'll only pay the vet bills when he's sure he'll get a return on the investment. They are only allowed to have sex when he determines he wants to increase the herd. Otherwise, there's no need to engage in such sinful behavior. What's the retirement plan - the glue factory. He was a productive horse when he was young, but now he adds more to the bottom line as a carcas to be sold for scrap. As long as the bottom line works out, the farmer is happy. If one or two of the farm animals meet their maker along the way, that's just the cost of doing business.

Regards,

D-Ray

Regards,

D-Ray

LMAO!!!!!!!

Dave

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by HatchetJack

Ok, lets try this again: Farmer Brown runs the old family farm. He has a nice
home complete with a nice barn, a new tractor, a restored muscle car and
his wife drives a Lexus. One day the chickens, goats band together and
demand he feed them more because he has too much money. He and his wife
really didnt earn it anyway. So Farmer brown has no choice but to double
the animals rations. The animals pigged out and refused to work. They got
in terrible shape and now want farmer Brown to pony up for their healthcare
that they didnt need when they grazed the pastures. Farmer Brown is now
in debt that he cant pay and owes money the animals never realized took
to run the Farm. Farmer Brown's brother bought a farm in China after the
last uprising of the Chickens and goats and is now sitting pretty because
his Chickens and Goats are content with what they have and now he sells
his goods at much lower prices than his brother back in America can. The
Chickens and goats will eventually see what has happened to them and
vote in Farmer Browns favor but as soon as their situation improves they
will once again vote against themselves not even realizing it especially if
he dynamites the beaver dams that were a threat to the property.

Are you on acid?

Let me tell YOU a little story;

A group of guys who fancy themselves to be really smart, are running a factory. The factory has a few problems, much of it's equipment was built during the HOOVER administration. It needs to be modernized. And the addition of more canning lines has outstripped the processing departments ability to supply the lines. The smart guys spend 6.2 million dollars and two years working their way from the END of the production chain UPSTREAM until they run out of money before reaching the heart of the operation---the processing department, where the basic product is made. So, now, the factory runs no more (Actually less.) finished product than it did two years ago because you cannot run a canning line, regardless of how much you've spent on it-----with no fucking PRODUCT! Now that the economy is stuggling and our volume has dropped, these super-geniuses have decided to "save money" by lowering the quality of the product, and offering our customers LESS choices.

Let's see. What do you suppose is going to happen when the customers start getting SUBSTANDARD product to put on their shelves? I suspect it might mean that soon, the only thing passing through that plant----will be the FUCKING WIND!

I'm sorry if I sound angry, but this is my livelyhood we're talking about now.
And your condescending, childish, fish and animal stories have plucked my last nerve. I know all too damn well how the capitalist system works. I think all of us here are well aquainted with it. We're not little kids, we're all grown men and women.

Dave

[JCricket]

Hey folks,
Who knows the stories of the triangle shirt factory fire? How about the ludlow massacre? Maybe Mother MAry Jones?

How many of you have read how Carnegie and Rockefeller gained their wealth?

Unfettered capitalism doesn't work and destroys the workers. Ever play monopoly - it has that name for a reason. Who wins - the guy with the money after everyone else has been destroyed.

HatchetJack,
Your example is well, um, how do I pout this. --NUTS!
Ther may be a grain of truth here and there, but mostly it is a stereotypical assement filled with hate and little facts. It is more of a lament of the woes of those who wish to be all powerful and greedy tahn reality. Mostly, it is filled with leading exagerations and little data. Sorry, but I gotta call you on this one.