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02-11-2012, 04:23 PM
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This will all boil down to, those who need no matter how wrong to justify their rational for thinking the Democrats are evil. Total escape from reality and acceptance of fantasy as fact.
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02-11-2012, 04:54 PM
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The Obamaites did not see this coming?
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Oh, I think they did.
And what we've discovered is that 98% of Catholic women use some form of contraception.
The problem is that 48% of Catholics are hypocrites related to policy.
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02-11-2012, 04:54 PM
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Dave and DRay, I work with federal funding (yes, I'm one of those people who spend your hard earned tax dollars) and I can remember the public outcry when Bush pushed faith based social programs. Fact is, organized religions, not just the Catholics, have been receiving federal funding for decades for various reasons and they have the same rules as any other organization that accepts federal funds.
This whole issue is simply being blown up for the sake of politics. That people get caught up in it is an indicator of how easy it is to sway the masses. (pun not intentional).
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I won't go so far as to say this issue is completely politics, just mostly politics. It's also not an issue I would pick to engage in, there are plenty of others.
But if someone doesn't want to administer a medication to me due their moral beliefs, I would respect them.
And take my business down the street. That way we can both be happy.
Now concerning Federal funding. Since app 30% of the population has a problem with this, why not include an opt out clause which comes with a reduction in payments which reflects the actual costs of this particular service?
That way everybody can be happy. And it will no longer be a political issue.
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02-11-2012, 05:02 PM
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Chas, I don't know of a public health care institution that could survive without some federal funding....
But, I could be wrong, there might be some out there.
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02-11-2012, 05:07 PM
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Is a Hospital that practices policies like these extend my life? If I have a living will saving "Do Not Resuscitate or a DNR" will they still keep me alive raking in the federal dollars?
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02-11-2012, 05:12 PM
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Is a Hospital that practices policies like these extend my life? If I have a living will saving "Do Not Resuscitate or a DNR" will they still keep me alive raking in the federal dollars?
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Do you imply the opposite of Logan's Run?
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02-11-2012, 05:24 PM
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Do you imply the opposite of Logan's Run? 
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I just asking, if you take to the extreme, the belief that all life is sacred this would seem a likely next step. If not then may I ask why?
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02-11-2012, 05:56 PM
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Chas, I don't know of a public health care institution that could survive without some federal funding....
But, I could be wrong, there might be some out there.
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That's why I suggested a deduction in payments based on this issue alone, not an elimination of all payments.
Since federal funding is your expertise, please correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm assuming that payments are based on services rendered, so why not offer an opt out clause on this particular one?
Not being a woman, I don't see that abortion or birth control are any of my business. Then again, I don't see that attempting to force people to violate their moral principles are any of my business either.
There is enough hate in this world without creating even more. This should be a non issue.
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02-11-2012, 06:07 PM
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Is a Hospital that practices policies like these extend my life? If I have a living will saving "Do Not Resuscitate or a DNR" will they still keep me alive raking in the federal dollars?
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Maybe if you handcuff a heavily armed lawyer to your wrist they won't.
Chas
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02-11-2012, 06:32 PM
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That's why I suggested a deduction in payments based on this issue alone, not an elimination of all payments.
Since federal funding is your expertise, please correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm assuming that payments are based on services rendered, so why not offer an opt out clause on this particular one?
Not being a woman, I don't see that abortion or birth control are any of my business. Then again, I don't see that attempting to force people to violate their moral principles are any of my business either.
There is enough hate in this world without creating even more. This should be a non issue.
Chas
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Chas, just because birth control options are covered in a health plan doesn't mean a woman has to use them. My insurance covers prostate exams, but I'm not likely to take advantage of that benefit.
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