I'm going to make an interesting hypothesis here

[merrylander]

HARP has been going on for years, heck he was firing those things up in the air back in the 1970s.

[stereocuuple]

Originally Posted by Sandy G

Oh, yeah. Ever read the book, "Warday" by Whitley Strieber & James Kunetka ? It will CHILL YOUR SHITE...It's about a "limited" nuke exchange, the most damage came really from something called EMP damage, which basically "Shazbats" virtually all electronic circuits...Plus the stuff that's used to fix all of 'em, & the stuff that's used to fix THAT, & so on. The book was set in 1993, overnite we went from '93 to about 1950. Most planes & cars wouldn't work, because of electronic ignitions, & all the embedded computers, & of course, all the computers & electronic controls in modern jets.

an event like the one in warday would save the earth from us just as a footnote erin and i were both big JERICHO fans what i wouldnt give to be able to live that way a simple life with limited tech. and perfectly clean windpowered ac for the you know what.

im afraid that what is happening with the climate is now well beyond our ability to correct.and the current admin. in washington is paying lip service to the enviroment movement as a whole. big energy rules the world and all of us are slaves to the powers that be. i am afraid that most pepole are to frightend to give up there comforts to put up much of a fight.

[merrylander]

Heck if Vestas wants to stick one of those big wind turbines in the back yard and run it through my meter, go right ahead. Kill two birds that way; screw the electric company and piss off the neighbors.

[BlueStreak]

Wet.

So what?

Doesn't mean anything.

Global warming is real.
The only misconception is that we can do much of anything about it.

So, BOTH sides are wrong, and I wish everyone would just shut up about it.

Dave

P.s. I know this is an old thread, but I brought it back to life because I felt I hadn't stirred up enough shit today.

[hillbilly]

I often wonder about global warming. Remember the ice age? Think about it. There were no cars burning gas, no coal plants sending smoke up in the air, and nobody was sending rocket ships through the ozone and into space. So, if I may ask, who was to blame for the first melting?

I watched something on Discovery channel about bodies they found burried in the ice from long, long ago .. and they said that means the ice is just now melted to a point in wich it had melted before, long before trains, planes, and automobiles. It'll freeze back when mother nature decides it's time, and at that time, stopping global warming will be the least of peoples worries.

[HatchetJack]

You are correct Hillbilly. Lots of factors can determine the avg. yearly temp.
Volcanos, moisture in the atmosphere, Ocean currents, layers of the sun
planet wobbles, egg shaped orbits ect, ect.... The problem of whether or
not global warming exists is the lack of proof that a normal climate has ever
existed in the first place. Mother nature knows what shes doing anyway.
I watched an interesting documentary the other day about paleontologists
finding fossil evidence that a tropical environment once existed in Alaska
complete with tropical plants and massive lizard creatures. It seems to me
that if the temps on Mars are rising at the same rate as on Earth then it must be
the Sun this time.

[d-ray657]

In other words, we can just leave it to mother nature to clean up the mess we make of the place?

I agree that nature can involve cycles and creates different balances, but the things that humans do to the atmosphere are not part of any natural cycle.

Regards,

D-Ray

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by hillbilly

I often wonder about global warming. Remember the ice age? Think about it. There were no cars burning gas, no coal plants sending smoke up in the air, and nobody was sending rocket ships through the ozone and into space. So, if I may ask, who was to blame for the first melting?

I watched something on Discovery channel about bodies they found burried in the ice from long, long ago .. and they said that means the ice is just now melted to a point in wich it had melted before, long before trains, planes, and automobiles. It'll freeze back when mother nature decides it's time, and at that time, stopping global warming will be the least of peoples worries.

I agree. Global warming is real, but there is damn little we can do about it.
It's part of a natural cycle. We can try to lessen OUR impact. And we do have an impact.
But nothing we do is going to stop it.

Dave

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

But nothing we do is going to stop it.

why do you say that?

[merrylander]

We, by last count, have received more than 6" above our "normal" rainfall.