The 2nd Amendment??

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

d-ray, of course! But cars kill far more (37,261 in 2008). Different? Yes. The Founders considered firearms important enough to protect in the Constitution - carriages didn't make it.

Pete

First, until a decision a year or so ago by the bushwhacked court disregarded long-standing limitations on the scope of the second amendment, that provision had been read to protect only the possession of firearms in the context of a well regulated militia. The bushwhacked court expended that protection to ownership of a firearm in the home for personal safety, but it did not expand it beyond that, noting the vaildity of restrictions on concealed carry and licensing restrictions - even licensing of firearms retained within one's home. No court has interpreted the second amendment to permit one to carry a saturday night special on ones back pocket, purse or glove compartment. The second amendment does not guarantee the right to pack a pistol whenever whereever one wants.

Second, I would expect that automobiles do much more to contribute to the nation's productive capacity than firearms do. They make it possible to save more lives; they make transportaion of foodstuffs reasonable; they deliver products; they improve security; they broaden opportunity. None of the intended purposes of automobiles include use as an instrument of death. Firearms, while they have recreational purposes, are designed to be capable of grievous bodily harm. Except on rare occasion, automobile deaths are accidental. Except on rare occasion, firearm deaths are intentional. Accordingly it is a red herring to compare the number of deaths in automobile accidents to deaths by firearms.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Ohighway]

Originally Posted by Charles

Is everyone in Tennessee that pig headed?
If so, and you ever get lost, and wind up in Missouri...don't worry.
You're among friends.
Chas

If you "pig headed" Tennessee and Missouri types ever get lost here in Maryland, ..... don't worry cause you're among friends here too....

[Sandy G]

I kinda pride myself on my "pig-headedness"...Round here, its called "Orneryness"...

[Charles]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

First, until a decision a year or so ago by the bushwhacked court disregarded long-standing limitations on the scope of the second amendment, that provision had been read to protect only the possession of firearms in the context of a well regulated militia. The bushwhacked court expended that protection to ownership of a firearm in the home for personal safety, but it did not expand it beyond that, noting the vaildity of restrictions on concealed carry and licensing restrictions - even licensing of firearms retained within one's home. No court has interpreted the second amendment to permit one to carry a saturday night special on ones back pocket, purse or glove compartment. The second amendment does not guarantee the right to pack a pistol whenever whereever one wants.

Second, I would expect that automobiles do much more to contribute to the nation's productive capacity than firearms do. They make it possible to save more lives; they make transportaion of foodstuffs reasonable; they deliver products; they improve security; they broaden opportunity. None of the intended purposes of automobiles include use as an instrument of death. Firearms, while they have recreational purposes, are designed to be capable of grievous bodily harm. Except on rare occasion, automobile deaths are accidental. Except on rare occasion, firearm deaths are intentional. Accordingly it is a red herring to compare the number of deaths in automobile accidents to deaths by firearms.

Regards,

D-Ray

The "Bushwhacked" court, I like that. Didn't Shrub make a comment on the Constitution something like "That God.....d piece of paper"?

Had it have been the "Chaswhacked" court, the view of the 2nd Amendment would have been rolled back to the 1700's.

Personally, I feel that the 2nd amendment should be viewed according to the intent of the Founding Fathers. And in the spirit of giving your fine legal mind something to do all day, I have inserted a collection of links From Gunsite which do precisely that. Gunsite, BTW, is a private school created to teach the tactical use of firearms. They are partisan.

No need to thank me now, D-Ray!!! And I fully expect you to use this information as the bludgeon with which to bash in my skull!!! Just go light on the legalese, otherwise I will have no idea of what you're talking about. Not too worried about that, as you have always laid out your viewpoints in layman's terms.

http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndpur.html

Automobiles and firearms are two different things. And the ownership of an auto is hardly a "right". It is a "privilege", and a damned expensive one to boot. License plates should be white, with an inscription which reads "Taxes Paid" below the number.

Anyway, it's off to work for yours truly. Have a good day.

Chas

[noonereal]

It is very clear what the intent was.

It was to keep a well regulated Militia.

It says so.

Jeez

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by noonereal

It is very clear what the intent was.

It was to keep a well regulated Militia.

It says so.

Jeez

Even so, I still think.........................oh f**k it.

Dave

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Even so, I still think.........................oh f**k it.

Dave

Now is that anyway for the thread starter to behave?

[HatchetJack]

What we need is more armed militia's and less hippiegreenpetarainbowers
thinking they can turn the world into Sesame Street.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by HatchetJack

What we need is more armed militia's and less hippiegreenpetarainbowers
thinking they can turn the world into Sesame Street.

So long as they are "well regulated" by THE STATE and not just a bunch of hate filled morons hiding in the woods, I agree.

Dave

[HatchetJack]

But the State can not even regulate itself. I could put together an armed
malitia overnight with at least 25 members more qualified to the run the
country than what we have now. Thats the problem, too much regulation
and not enough action.