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Old 12-23-2011, 09:51 AM
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Don't recall any pastor exhorting me to kill anyone, 'course I was not around for the Inquisition or the Crusades.

We gave up on organized religion long ago but we see no need to belittle other folks.
Some people wear their religion on their sleeve, and others wear their lack of religion on their sleeve.

I think it's the "on the sleeve" part that bugs me.

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Old 12-23-2011, 10:04 AM
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Don't recall any pastor exhorting me to kill anyone, 'course I was not around for the Inquisition or the Crusades.

We gave up on organized religion long ago but we see no need to belittle other folks.
wait, what? is the following quote from your post #52 a bit derisive of Islamic ritual?

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If we all were to bang our heads on the floor five times a day we would be kinda loopy too.
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Old 12-23-2011, 10:45 AM
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wait, what? is the following quote from your post #52 a bit derisive of Islamic ritual?
Not derisive, merely descrriptive.
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Old 12-24-2011, 02:14 PM
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Sounds like they need a strong, non-religious leader, who is neither friendly to the Iranians or the various terrorist groups.

Oh yeah. I forget. They had one like that and we removed him.
That's the best summation I've heard in years.
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Old 12-25-2011, 08:55 AM
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Sounds like they need a strong, non-religious leader, who is neither friendly to the Iranians or the various terrorist groups.

Oh yeah. I forget. They had one like that and we removed him.


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That's the best summation I've heard in years.
My thoughts also....

I said all along we the U.S. should of just found a General there to play ball with and install him. Seems to have worked out well for the U.S. in the past!





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Old 12-27-2011, 11:27 AM
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The left points to our support in years gone by of strongmen as reason the locals hate us, but in Iraq, it's a good thing?

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Old 12-27-2011, 12:12 PM
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The left points to our support in years gone by of strongmen as reason the locals hate us, but in Iraq, it's a good thing?

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Only if you want the Sunnis and Shia to get along, some of us really do not care if they kill each other off. Take a good look at Moqtada al Sadr or al Maliki - would you buy a used car from either one?
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Old 12-27-2011, 01:49 PM
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Only if you want the Sunnis and Shia to get along, some of us really do not care if they kill each other off. Take a good at Moqtada al Sadr or al Maliki - would you buy a used car from either one?
Depends on how much C-4 comes with it.

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Old 12-27-2011, 04:06 PM
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The left points to our support in years gone by of strongmen as reason the locals hate us, but in Iraq, it's a good thing?

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What is good for the U.S of A. is not always what is good for the foreign country involved.

To truly get what we want from another country, most of if not all of the time it will be against their own interests.



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Old 12-28-2011, 05:44 AM
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What is good for the U.S of A. is not always what is good for the foreign country involved.

To truly get what we want from another country, most of if not all of the time it will be against their own interests.



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I'm having a difficult time remembering where we systematically killed people to an extent greater than what the locals did themselves. Compare the U.S. to historic world powers and the point is clear. Once you have that power, it becomes an obligation to foster peace. Of course, one may need some wars to ultimately achieve peace. Our biggest problem is that we tend to place a much higher value on an individual life than our enemies, thus, our wars have been fought, since WWII, in a manner inconsistent with the notion of full warfare.
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