NTSB Cell Phone Ban Advocacy

[piece-itpete]

Hey everyone knows the government can solve all problems fairly and equitably.

I see no reason to ban hands free. You can talk to the person next to you but not through a speaker? Change your cds while knee driving at 75 mph? Better not scratch your nose. Might lose your driving priviledges.

State issue anyway my opinion.

Pete

[merrylander]

Rant on, when I was still commuting to work there was a small town en route with speed bumps. One morning an oncoming car went over the bump and headed straight for me, I simply got off the road. The driver was doing her eye makeup, stupid woman.

[hillbilly]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Virginia too. I had a cop pull me over once, just because he saw me flip my phone open. No ticket, it was a catch and release, but he did comment about the link between cell phone use and accidents.

Ya know, police and other first responders are the ones who see it everyday in the course of doing their jobs. If they report cell phone use as a rising cause of accidents, I tend to believe them. I see no reason why they would lie. I do know they get tired of cleaning up the bloody mess.

Dave

Dave, in Tennessee I see city cops, county deputies, and state troopers talking on cellphones while driving. See it everyday. If they see bad things happen do to talking on a cell, why do they continue to contribute to the problem? Are they better than us pee-ons?

[Wasillaguy]

Originally Posted by hillbilly

Dave, in Tennessee I see city cops, county deputies, and state troopers talking on cellphones while driving. See it everyday. If they see bad things happen do to talking on a cell, why do they continue to contribute to the problem? Are they better than us pee-ons?

I think many of them do believe they are better. My cousin is married to a state trooper who is dead set against concealed carry, and he says most of his co-workers agree with him.

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

I think many of them do believe they are better. My cousin is married to a state trooper who is dead set against concealed carry, and he says most of his co-workers agree with him.

I can see why they would be. Makes sense doesn't it? Less chance of getting shot at. But if I was a police officer you bet everyone would be considered armed!




Barney

[hillbilly]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Hey everyone knows the government can solve all problems fairly and equitably.

I see no reason to ban hands free. You can talk to the person next to you but not through a speaker? Change your cds while knee driving at 75 mph? Better not scratch your nose. Might lose your driving priviledges.

State issue anyway my opinion.

Pete

I agree with hands free being no more risk than talking to a passenger. People take their eyes off the road all the time lookin' at those navigation devices.. that are legal. Sometimes the law simply don't make sense.

[Wasillaguy]

Originally Posted by Oerets

I can see why they would be. Makes sense doesn't it? Less chance of getting shot at. But if I was a police officer you bet everyone would be considered armed!




Barney

I don't really think concealed carry laws make it more likely that a cop will get shot. Anyone with a concealed carry license knows to hand their permit over on initial contact, along with their ID.
The type of people who shoot at cops are not the same type that jump through all the hoops to get a permit.

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

I don't really think concealed carry laws make it more likely that a cop will get shot. Anyone with a concealed carry license knows to hand their permit over on initial contact, along with their ID.
The type of people who shoot at cops are not the same type that jump through all the hoops to get a permit.

Maybe in your state people have sense once they start carrying a hand gun. But I have had a CC license for twenty plus years, currently a lifetime one now. I can tell you around here an IQ test is not required to have a permit. Just a clean record and around $125.00.

I have run across some real dip $hits with guns. Wish they would have a little more restrictions on who can get permits. But know it will never happen until something bad occurs.

What I was trying to say is a Police Officer should expect everyone they encounter to be armed. If not they are being sloppy, but without a CC permit system their chances of running across an armed assailant would be lessened. So of course they would want that situation.



Barney

[hillbilly]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

I don't really think concealed carry laws make it more likely that a cop will get shot. Anyone with a concealed carry license knows to hand their permit over on initial contact, along with their ID.
The type of people who shoot at cops are not the same type that jump through all the hoops to get a permit.

I agree.

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Do you think people should be allowed to text while driving?

Regards,

D-Ray

Do I think it rises to a level that it needs a federal law? No, however, texting, or any distraction, may contribute to the possibility of an accident. I see a sliding slope that can be continually expanded. Mobile phone use is just an easy target. Are more or less people getting in accidents today because of phone use? Anecdotal evidence is notoriously unreliable.

Here are the actual numbers from 1990-2009:

Motor vehicle accidents by year in millions:
1990 11.5
1995 10.7
2000 13.4
2004 10.9
2005 10.7
2006 10.4
2007 10.6
2008 10.2
2009 10.8

Cell phone market penetration has increased considerably over that time period; thus we'd expect a correlation between that increased use and an increase in accidents. That hasn't occurred. Accidents have remained stable despite both an overall population increase and increased cell phone use. Obviously, there could be a better correlation across specific age groups, but nevertheless, the issue isn't as large as politicians. LEO, the press, and regulatory agencies assert.

BTW, even deaths have decreased over the same time span.

http://www.census.gov/compendia/stat...atalities.html


Here's one study dated but interesting:

"The effect of cellular phone use upon response to highway-traffic situations was the most deleterious for the older age group (i.e., 50-80). Overall, the increase in likelihood that some highway-traffic situation will go unnoticed while calling or conversing on a cellular phone was (for the older group) about twice that of their younger counterparts. Older subjects were no more distracted by radio tuning than the middle-age group (26-49 years) and considerably less than the youngest group (17-25 years). As far as time to respond is concerned, age only effected the placing of cellular phone calls."

Perhaps, those over fifty ought not use cell phones while driving.

http://www.aaafoundation.org/resourc...n=cellphone#a1


Imagine all the revenue that could be generated by ticketing drivers using cell phones. BTW, here in The People's California it is illegal to use a cell phone without using a hands free device. IIRC it is a $256.00 fine.