Another anonymous charge?

[whell]

Originally Posted by Oerets

All the scrutiny of an accuser and seems like tacit approval going to the accused. No wounder some what to stay anonymous!

Remember the uproar with Clinton by those who now seem to be OK with Cain.


Barney

You're right, Barney. It really a private matter between two adults so its none of our business.

[JJIII]

Originally Posted by painter

Having had a couple experiences myself back in the 50's ( when it was common to overlook) I became aware and was able to recognize when the next one was coming.
I cannot judge this woman. I can tell you it feels degrading to have it happen.

Having said that...If they were driving in his car (supposedly wearing seat belts) how could this happen? OR if they had stopped the car...would they not have had to undo the belts?

She then asked him to drive her to her hotel. So the act didn't happen in front of the hotel. perhaps in the parking lot of the restaurant? was the place of the act mentioned?
Just curious...D-Ray???

I'm curious too. Something about her story (or the way she tells it) doesn't seem right.

[whell]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

No, you were expressing a judgment about her character. She is subjected to your judgment and to the judgment of countless others because she chose to reveal an incident in which a presidential candidate was involved. Many of those judgments will be predisposed in one direction or another.

One can also conjecture based on available data. According to the public record:

- she appears to have difficulty holding a job
- she appears to have issues with marital relations and possibly fidelity, including some question by a former husband about the paternity of their son.
- two bankrupticies suggests difficulty with finances. Of course, financial issues have been known to impact behavior and judgement.
- she's no stranger to the legal system
- she only divulged her "issue" with Mr. Cain to her fiance three days ago. It does leave one with qustions about her timing and motivation.

Originally Posted by d-ray657

One can rest assured that the Cain campaign and the right wing noise machine will work tirelessly to promote a negative judgment about her character.

They'll likey get some pointers from James Carville's playbook. Something like: "It looks like Gloria Allred dragged $20.00 through a trailer park."

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by whell

One can also conjecture based on available data. According to the public record:

- she appears to have difficulty holding a job
- she appears to have issues with marital relations and possibly fidelity, including some question by a former husband about the paternity of their son.
- two bankrupticies suggests difficulty with finances. Of course, financial issues have been known to impact behavior and judgement.
- she's no stranger to the legal system
- she only divulged her "issue" with Mr. Cain to her fiance three days ago. It does leave one with qustions about her timing and motivation.



They'll likey get some pointers from James Carville's playbook. Something like: "It looks like Gloria Allred dragged $20.00 through a trailer park."

Of course all of these allegations justify Cain's crude attempt at sexual advances?


My mother once told me that I was to treat all women as ladies. When I asked "What if she is not a lady?" She said "You still treat them as ladies because you are a gentleman>". Can't say as I have always adhered to her advice, but I do try.

IMHO Cain is no different than that Frenchman they had in the NY slammer for a bit. They get that powerful and assume they can just take what they want.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by JJIII

I'm curious too. Something about her story (or the way she tells it) doesn't seem right.

Near as I recall he was going to show her the NRA offices when they drove off after dinner. Seat belts are immaterial as even if there were shoulder belts they only restrict forward motion in an abrupt halt.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Oerets

All the scrutiny of an accuser and seems like tacit approval going to the accused. No wounder some what to stay anonymous!

Remember the uproar with Clinton by those who now seem to be OK with Cain.


Barney

Remember also that in Clinton's case she had told a friend in California that she was going to DC to "Earn her presidential knee pads". There is a difference between consensual and non-consensual.

[Charles]

I was wrong, it's not all about sex.

It's all about politics.

Chas

[whell]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Of course all of these allegations justify Cain's crude attempt at sexual advances?

They justify nothing. However, we're in a "he said / she said" scenario where only two people can possiblly know the truth. It is then left to the jury (in a court room) or the jury of public opinon to determine which of the two is more credible. I'm suggestng that Ms. Bialek's public record, not to mention her timing, contains sufficient info to suggest that questions need to be answered before her credibility can be established.

Until those questions are answered, her timing and choice of forum to air her complaint suggests that this is less about educaing the public and more about exploiting opportunity. Or, maybe there was some bad blood between her and Cain stemming from either her employment with the National Restaurant Association or being rejeted by her for any subsequent job opportunities, and this is her opportunity to get back at him. Speculation, sure. But her timing, her choice of forum and her backgound leave her story open to questions.

[whell]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Remember also that in Clinton's case she had told a friend in California that she was going to DC to "Earn her presidential knee pads". There is a difference between consensual and non-consensual.

Maybe that's exactly what happened in Cain's case. The point is, we'll never really know.

[JJIII]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Of course all of these allegations justify Cain's crude attempt at sexual advances?


My mother once told me that I was to treat all women as ladies. When I asked "What if she is not a lady?" She said "You still treat them as ladies because you are a gentleman>". Can't say as I have always adhered to her advice, but I do try.

IMHO Cain is no different than that Frenchman they had in the NY slammer for a bit. They get that powerful and assume they can just take what they want.

Sounds like you have already convicted the man.