Gaddafi killed?

[Krazygrrl]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world. Wrong again, KG.

Once again, in your zeal to discredit what I say...

(1) You overlook the fact that Indonesia does not recognize itself as an Islamic state.

(2) I believe there are six recognized religions that live more or less in harmony in Indonesia, although Muslims make up the largest group.

(3) Indonesia is not located in the Middle East, and not populated by Arabic-Muslims.

(4) Indonesia was a strict dictatorship till the late 1990s, and is still struggling with internal strife. It is a unitary presidential republic.



Someone has to present a counter balance to the left-of-cent atmosphere here. My political opinions are actually quite centrist. Then again, when measured with those that many here in the forum profess, they appear far to the right.

There are also many ways of ordering data. There are many possible explanations and outcomes. When posting, I tend to use some sources which even I find questionable (World News Daily for example), yet it is no more biased than "The Daily Beast", Fox News is no more biased than MSNBC.. if you really think about it.

Most people that post here, do not even bother with sources. Why? Because they profess left-of-center opinions which they know will not be questioned. Which they know will be widely supported.

There are two sides to every blade and at least that many to every argument. Just look how easy if was to upset "Fast Eddie" by ridiculing Barrack and Michelle Obama - yet he doesn't think twice (reading his posts) about ridiculing people himself. He has launched a series of vicious personal attacks against me, and doesn't like it when someone then targets him. Imagine that! LOL

I do appreciate you not proclaiming me a troll. Personally, I would not (except under the most extreme circumstances) label anyone as a troll. Here it is obviously quite easy to get that designation if you do not have the proper opinions

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Krazygrrl

Once again, in your zeal to discredit what I say...

(1) You overlook the fact that Indonesia does not recognize itself as an Islamic state.

(2) I believe there are six recognized religions that live more or less in harmony in Indonesia, although Muslims make up the largest group.

(3) Indonesia is not located in the Middle East, and not populated by Arabic-Muslims.

(4) Indonesia was a strict dictatorship till the late 1990s, and is still struggling with internal strife. It is a unitary presidential republic.

In typical form, you're now walking back your erroneous assertion by implying you made points such as (3) in your original claim. You didn't.

"As the world's largest Muslim-majority nation, Indonesia proves that democracy and Islam need not be incompatible."

http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...909198,00.html

"In the five years since the fall of President Suharto, Indonesia has had
three presidents—B.J. Habibie, Abdurrahman Wahid, and Megawati
Sukarnoputri—all of whom took power by democratic means. Most people
have enjoyed freedom of expression and opinion, freedom of information,
checks and balances between the executive and legislative branches of
government, and a depoliticized military."

http://www.apcss.org/Publications/Ed...er12Bhakti.pdf

[d-ray657]

I see a troll as someone whose purpose in posting is to draw a negative reaction.

"I am going to attack your beloved demigod, the "epic failure" from Hawaii, Barrack Hussein Obama. You know why, because it pisses you off "

I do believe that this is the first time I have referred to a poster as a troll. In this instance, res ipsa loquitur.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

I see a troll as someone whose purpose in posting is to draw a negative reaction.

"I am going to attack your beloved demigod, the "epic failure" from Hawaii, Barrack Hussein Obama. You know why, because it pisses you off "

I do believe that this is the first time I have referred to a poster as a troll. In this instance, res ipsa loquitur.

Regards,

D-Ray

That's why it's the first time I've "ignored" a member of this forum. Took me a bit to figure out how! I've been in heated debates, but usually we ended walking out with mutual respect for each other. This one is different. There is no discussion- just a one way hose of mostly BS, much of it the same BS repeated over and over again, always with a huge dose of childish name calling and personal attack. Now, finally, she has stated that is her goal. Just to attack the President and to do so, not to convince anyone that her position is right, but just to make other people mad.

Well, good luck with that, but I won't be reading any of her crap anymore. And I would ask people, when you think of it, to be mindful of "quotes" from her so those of us trying to avoid the useless nonsense don't have to be exposed to it. You can see there's really no point in addressing anything she says anyway, so why bother?

[Krazygrrl]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

I see a troll as someone whose purpose in posting is to draw a negative reaction.

"I am going to attack your beloved demigod, the "epic failure" from Hawaii, Barrack Hussein Obama. You know why, because it pisses you off "

I do believe that this is the first time I have referred to a poster as a troll. In this instance, res ipsa loquitur.

Regards,

D-Ray

So what are you saying... just to endure Eddie's personal attacks? Is that expected because of his political viewpoints? Are his personal attacks against me accepted because of my differing political viewpoints? When he launched a series of attacks against me... no one called him a troll. It was just: "ohh that's Eddie". Then again, it is easy to attack and ridicule people when the person doing it is a part of a larger majority quite frankly. Furthermore, he started with directed personal attacks. Perhaps that is how he gets his kicks. Is he now crying in his beard because someone had the audacity to retaliate? It sure seems that way to me. People thought his attacks were funny, yet not so funny when he himself is targeted.

Perhaps Obama should be off-limits, George Bush certainly isn't....

[Krazygrrl]

Originally Posted by finnbow

In typical form, you're now walking back your erroneous assertion by implying you made points such as (3) in your original claim. You didn't.

"As the world's largest Muslim-majority nation, Indonesia proves that democracy and Islam need not be incompatible."

http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...909198,00.html

"In the five years since the fall of President Suharto, Indonesia has had
three presidents—B.J. Habibie, Abdurrahman Wahid, and Megawati
Sukarnoputri—all of whom took power by democratic means. Most people
have enjoyed freedom of expression and opinion, freedom of information,
checks and balances between the executive and legislative branches of
government, and a depoliticized military."

http://www.apcss.org/Publications/Ed...er12Bhakti.pdf

Good point.. but you must concede that all the states I had listed were located in or near the Middle East (exception of Pakistan). Futhermore this transformation of Indonesia began in... 1998 (?) with the overthrow, and 2005/06 (?) with the elections. So it is relatively recent. Turkey has been going along since Atta Turk.

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by Krazygrrl

So what are you saying... just to endure Eddie's personal attacks? Is that excepted because of his political viewpoints? Are his personal attacks against me accepted because of my differing political viewpoints? When he launched a series of attacks against me... no one called him a troll. It was just: "ohh that's Eddie". Then again, it is easy to attack and ridicule people when the person doing it is a part of a larger majority quite frankly. Furthermore, he started with directed personal attacks. Perhaps that is how he gets his kicks. Is he now crying in his beard because someone had the audacity to retaliate? It sure seems that way to me. People thought his attacks were funny, yet not so funny when he himself is targeted.

Perhaps Obama should be off-limits, George Bush certainly isn't....

I am suggesting that his attacks are the gratification that you are seeking here. I base this conclusion on your own words. Sometimes it is difficult to distinguish between spirited debate and trolling, but in light of an admission that the purpose of posts is to draw an emotional response, the conclusion becomes clearer.

Regards,

D-Ray

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Krazygrrl

Good point.. but you must concede that all the states I had listed were located in or near the Middle East (exception of Pakistan). Futhermore this transformation of Indonesia began in... 1998 (?) with the overthrow, and 2005/06 (?) with the elections. So it is relatively recent. Turkey has been going along since Atta Turk.

The problem with the model you seem to be advocating (keeping the population of Middle Eastern nations under the thumbs of "friendly" despots) seems no longer viable in the modern telecommunications/Internet age. The citizens now know what's shaking in the outside world and realize they're being sh!t upon by their leaders, often with our direct or indirect support.

Whether we like it or not, democracy is increasing inexorably in the world. Sure, it's messy, but in the long run, it beats the alternative. How can we, the world's most important democracy, advocate for the continuation of authoritorian regimes?

[Krazygrrl]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

I am suggesting that his attacks are the gratification that you are seeking here. I base this conclusion on your own words. Sometimes it is difficult to distinguish between spirited debate and trolling, but in light of an admission that the purpose of posts is to draw an emotional response, the conclusion becomes clearer.

Regards,

D-Ray

Okay... I resign. You all win! When his (Eddie) personal attacks are universally condoned, and no response is allowed. When he is too fragile (or unstable) to survive a spirited counter-attack without people coming to his rescue. When Barrack Obama is off limits, but George Bush can be trashed in a political forum. That is the height of hypocrisy. That is good enough for me.

I bid each and everyone of you farewell, and I will no longer interject in any of the monolithic "discussions" as the outcome is preordained through political dogma. That is truly sad.

[piece-itpete]

Latin? Lawyers or Priests are coming! Run for your life!!



Hang out krazy. Obama gets trashed just fine.

Funny how the left argued that we should've kept the dictator in in Iraq, but now it's unsustainable (lifted eyebrow)?

Pete