Check Out the Scumbag Dem's In WI

[jonesy09]

Originally Posted by Charles

I don't see how Walker has broken the unions.

What he has broken is the direct transfer of dues from the members paychecks into the union coffers.

If you notice, the unions had already conceded a reduction in their members benefits, what they were contesting was the money taken from their members paychecks. And recertification on a yearly basis.

If anything, he has empowered the rank and file members at the expense of the union officials. In other words, if you expect to be a representative of the rank and file, you must represent their wishes and not yours.

What's wrong with that?

Chas

Your initial sentence is in direct contradiction to the rest of your post.

Perhaps some clarification of what a union is and what a contract entails is in order.

Dues are paid by members to negotiate contracts. In this state public workers are members of unions that were certified by democratic vote decades ago. Individuals who don't want to belong to the union can opt out and are covered by the 'fair share' agreement. They are not members but continue to pay their fair share of dues as they continue to acquire the benefits negotiated by the union.

As with any organization, if you remove funding you remove the organization. In concert with annual certification votes these provisions were an unveiled direct assault on the validity of bargaining units across the state. Certainly not an empowerment of the rank and file.

If you'll notice, the Governor consistently stated (up until a couple days ago) that this repair bill was not about worker's rights (a "modest adjustment"), it was about fixing a stated deficit. The state workers union conceded the financial asks yet the push continued.

My contract consists of 77 pages, 10 of which are related to wages and benefits. The rest are what's called 'conditions of employment'. All of which has little of no financial impact.

As Tracy Fuller, the president of the Wisconsin Law Enforcement Association, put it, "What does what time I come to work have to do with the budget? What does my my vacation selection have to do with the deficit?"

That, and other like items, is what the other 67 pages of our contract deals with, as is the case with other public sector contracts.

[BlueStreak]

Yesterday, one of our plant wing-nuts was trying to make jokes about the situation in Wisconsin. No one was laughing*. I think people are slowly beginning to see the dark side of the much ballyhooed "conservative revolution" and begun to realize that the enemy is US.

An old man once told me; "You might get away with beating a dog for a while. But eventually, he's gonna turn on you." The last time the mighty capitalists tried to beat the working man down it led to decades of strikes, riots and all manner of unpleasantness.

Recent events just go to show that some people are so damn thick-skulled that they never learn. I guess they want to go through it all again?

Dave

(*Our plant is non-union. Back in January we were called into an all hands meeting and reminded of the sour economy. This, of course, was to prime us for the fleecing of our annual performance bonuses and COLA increases---indefinitely.)

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by bhunter

Great, then where are you going to find employment? Class war is exactly what the left perpetuates with virtually every utterance. Where are you going to get 70% of taxes?

Right, it is like that broad on FOX argued, those poor Wall Street people can barely get by on $250,000 but where do those teachers get off thinking they are worth $50,000

All depends whose ox is being gored, does it not?

BTW will all the pissing and moaning about "taxpayers", I was not aware that public sector employees are exempt from paying taxes - did I miss something?

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by bhunter

They can collectively bargain by virtue of their vote for state representatives. The right to collective bargaining ought not apply for government employees because of the inherent lack of opposition. That's why the Democrats are pissed.

Actually this Democrat is chuckling quietly because he knows 2012 is going to be a bloodbath. The voters have seen what they got by electing a bunch of screaming assholes - job creation - you betcha. No, the voter realizes that he was sold a pig in a poke and 2012 is going to be great fun to watch. This may finally be the end of the GOP as we know it.

[merrylander]

What everyone seems to forget here is the ratio of executive salary to average salary within the corporation, that ratio is flat out obscene. Executive salary is not decided by job performance but by just how many arses you have kissed on the board of directors.

Example, the bonuses collected by the very people who drove the economy int the ditch.

The hypocrisy show by the right wing people who natter on about productivity and eficiency while spending many hours on the golf course is laughable.

If anyone here can show me a man or woman worthy of more than $800,000 per year (and I am being deliberatly generous) I would really like to know who that person is, and what it is/was that they accomplished that was so bloody mahvelous

[Charles]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Actually this Democrat is chuckling quietly because he knows 2012 is going to be a bloodbath. The voters have seen what they got by electing a bunch of screaming assholes - job creation - you betcha. No, the voter realizes that he was sold a pig in a poke and 2012 is going to be great fun to watch. This may finally be the end of the GOP as we know it.

I was kind of hoping it would be the end of both parties as we know them as their only concerns seems to be getting elected and taking bribes.

Chas

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Charles

I was kind of hoping it would be the end of both parties as we know them as their only concerns seems to be getting elected and taking bribes.

Chas

We will renovate the Democratic parety in 2016.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by bhunter

Who employs you? And no, I'm not a trickle down proponent, but every dollar of value needs to be produced somewhere. That somewhere is a business entity not government. Ideally, we would have many more smaller businesses than the transnational corporations we have today.

the capitalistic model of employment is flawed to begin with

the basic tenet is that the employer gets a totally disproportionate amount of the rewards from the labor

worse yet, we have an investor class who have absolutely no concern for the people who create their wealth

a business is a web of people and no investor nor manager is of any greater value than any other member of the web (business)

however a capitalistic system fosters inequities by design

so as you see my surf friend, your trickle down economy is not good for those being trickled on

[JJIII]

Originally Posted by noonereal

the capitalistic model of employment is flawed to begin with

the basic tenet is that the employer gets a totally disproportionate amount of the rewards from the labor

worse yet, we have an investor class who have absolutely no concern for the people who create their wealth

a business is a web of people and no investor nor manager is of any greater value than any other member of the web (business)

however a capitalistic system fosters inequities by design

so as you see my surf friend, your trickle down economy is not good for those being trickled on

Sort of like this?......

From Wikipedia....



"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need (or needs) is a slogan popularized by Karl Marx in his 1875 Critique of the Gotha Program.[1] The phrase summarizes the principles that, in a communist society, every person should contribute to society to the best of his or her ability and consume from society in proportion to his or her needs. In the Marxist view, such an arrangement will be made possible by the abundance of goods and services that a developed communist society will produce; the idea is that there will be enough to satisfy everyone's needs."

[piece-itpete]

Agreed, capitalism my not be perfect but experiments in government control have been a DISASTER. One might call an owner a slavemaster, but the government actually enslaved.

Pete