Check Out the Scumbag Dem's In WI

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I wonder what took him so long to figure out that he had this option.

Now both sides are orchestrating recall votes on an unprecedented scale.

"Formal recall campaigns have now been launched against 16 state senators - eight Republicans and eight Democrats. That's everyone in the 33-member Wisconsin Senate who is legally eligible to be recalled this year."

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...117501513.html

They could sell tickets to this circus.

I must admit I do like watching this. Someone somewhere must get their arms around spending.

From Victor Hansen

"...the three classical requisites for perpetually improved compensation: The employer has plentiful capital; the employee’s productivity creates new wealth or improves the efficiency of services; and the employee has market value and will go elsewhere should the employer be foolish enough to lose him."

These clearly are not present with Public Unions. The whole concept of not having someone in opposition across the bargaining table is absurd.

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by noonereal

I just hope this leads to an all out class war.

I would have no trouble watching a reality show of the rich and famous houses burning. We could call it, Backdraft, The Wall Street Edition.

Great, then where are you going to find employment? Class war is exactly what the left perpetuates with virtually every utterance. Where are you going to get 70% of taxes?

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by bhunter

Great, then where are you going to find employment? Class war is exactly what the left perpetuates with virtually every utterance. Where are you going to get 70% of taxes?

Who needs taxes when the wealthy's over-reaching ultimately leads to the confiscation of their property.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Charles]

Originally Posted by bhunter

Great, then where are you going to find employment? Class war is exactly what the left perpetuates with virtually every utterance. Where are you going to get 70% of taxes?

It never ceases to amaze me how government workers petitioning the government for more money APPEARS to resonate with the proletariat.

I'm beginning to think the proletariat class no longer exists, at least not in sufficient numbers.

Chas

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by Charles

It never ceases to amaze me how government workers petitioning the government for more money APPEARS to resonate with the proletariat.

I'm beginning to think the proletariat class no longer exists, at least not in sufficient numbers.

Chas

C'mon Chas, you know better than that. The thing that resonates is the loss of the ability join together to have a chance for fair wages and working conditions. The public favored the salary cuts the public workers will have to take, but a large majority opposed the theft of the collective bargaining rights. Most people also realize that the agenda of the gub and other Koch sycophants does not end with public employee unions, and much of the support comes from that realization. The public also hates a power play - the gub had agreement to the cuts he wanted, but he overreached by going beyond that to try to break the unions. I suppose that those of us affiliated with the labor movement should thank the gub, because he has done a terrific job of firing workers up.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Charles]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

C'mon Chas, you know better than that. The thing that resonates is the loss of the ability join together to have a chance for fair wages and working conditions. The public favored the salary cuts the public workers will have to take, but a large majority opposed the theft of the collective bargaining rights. Most people also realize that the agenda of the gub and other Koch sycophants does not end with public employee unions, and much of the support comes from that realization. The public also hates a power play - the gub had agreement to the cuts he wanted, but he overreached by going beyond that to try to break the unions. I suppose that those of us affiliated with the labor movement should thank the gub, because he has done a terrific job of firing workers up.

Regards,

D-Ray

I don't see how Walker has broken the unions.

What he has broken is the direct transfer of dues from the members paychecks into the union coffers.

If you notice, the unions had already conceded a reduction in their members benefits, what they were contesting was the money taken from their members paychecks. And recertification on a yearly basis.

If anything, he has empowered the rank and file members at the expense of the union officials. In other words, if you expect to be a representative of the rank and file, you must represent their wishes and not yours.

What's wrong with that?

Chas

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by bhunter

Great, then where are you going to find employment? Class war is exactly what the left perpetuates with virtually every utterance. Where are you going to get 70% of taxes?

find employment?

the wealthy create jobs for me?

good God, someone who really believes that nonsense

be well

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by Charles

I don't see how Walker has broken the unions.

What he has broken is the direct transfer of dues from the members paychecks into the union coffers.

If you notice, the unions had already conceded a reduction in their members benefits, what they were contesting was the money taken from their members paychecks. And recertification on a yearly basis.

If anything, he has empowered the rank and file members at the expense of the union officials. In other words, if you expect to be a representative of the rank and file, you must represent their wishes and not yours.

What's wrong with that?

Chas

You forgot the part about limiting the subjects of bargaining to wages, subject to a COLA cap, and nothing else. No working conditions, no benefits, no pensions, no discipline. In other words, collective bargaining for public employees has effectively been outlawed in Wisconsin. To me that is union busting. I hope this action has also effectivly ended Walker's political career.

P.S. Too bad Walker doesn't have to obtain recertification after this year, because it certainly appears that he has gone against the wishes of Wisconsin's citizens.

Regards,

D-Ray

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

You forgot the part about limiting the subjects of bargaining to wages, subject to a COLA cap, and nothing else. No working conditions, no benefits, no pensions, no discipline. In other words, collective bargaining for public employees has effectively been outlawed in Wisconsin. To me that is union busting. I hope this action has also effectivly ended Walker's political career.

They can collectively bargain by virtue of their vote for state representatives. The right to collective bargaining ought not apply for government employees because of the inherent lack of opposition. That's why the Democrats are pissed.

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by noonereal

find employment?

the wealthy create jobs for me?

good God, someone who really believes that nonsense

be well

Who employs you? And no, I'm not a trickle down proponent, but every dollar of value needs to be produced somewhere. That somewhere is a business entity not government. Ideally, we would have many more smaller businesses than the transnational corporations we have today.