Egypt has been primed for years

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by Combwork

I think you're missing the point there. There ARE Holocoust deniers out there. I know they are wrong (my Dad was in the RAF) but the longer the gap between then and now the more deniers we'll get. There are people who 'admit' that yes, the Jews were persecuted, but not as badly as they say they were. Going back to my Dad, although he was in the RAF he was with ground forces when they went into Germany just after the war. He saw the camps, or what remained of them. But my Dad's dead now and his memories died with him. Now, weak minded people (or worse, those with their own agenda) can believe that film reports were rigged by "The Zionist Conspiracy" and all that shit.

It's the same damn thing starting again. A lot of countries heading into recession and a lot of people looking for someone else to blame. The Jews, the gypsies, the queers and the towelheads, it's all 'their' fault...... 'We' are blameless, 'we' are just the victims.

Sounds like you have been listening to "The Wall."

Regards,

D-Ray

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by mossbacked

That just gets us to the letter "I".

There are umt-dozens more . . .

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/v...ry.asp?id=1237

I quit reading about a third of the way through, because I failed to see anything illegal, racist, dangerous (like the Patrior act is), or even objectionable.

Regards,

D-Ray

[mossbacked]

I don't believe the new House passed Patriot Act extensions exactly because they are problematic, so that's a good thing!

I never said anything about illegality, although if any of the organizations Soros supports are anything like Acorn, statistically his dollars are most likely supporting, even encouraging, some problem areas. I'm a bit surprised you seem to support him.

[merrylander]

Funny how the righties keep bringing up Acorn, they were investigated and no charges were filed, case closed, end of story. Or don't all you jokers believe what the Constitution says "innocent until proven guilty"?

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

The left loves to say this, and it's true to a degree. But what kind of governments existed there before 'we' 'installed' them?

Pete

In most cases? No cohesive forms of government. The Middle East was mostly ruled by nomadic tribes.

So to address this issue the West, rather than push for democratic reform, installs despotic regimes? Why? Could it be because democracies tend to be too independent minded? Too inclined to demand a high price for the resources they produce to facilitate the "spreading of the wealth"? A dictator can deliver what we want at the price we demand, so long as we agree to let him keep all of the wealth for himself. Problem is, this sort of arrangement is unsustainable. One might tend to think this end started coming about with the formation of OPEC, and the current revolt is just an extension of the effort to end what little control we have left by tossing the despots out on their asses.

Bad karma, coming back around?

Dave

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

I quit reading about a third of the way through, because I failed to see anything illegal, racist, dangerous (like the Patrior act is), or even objectionable.

Regards,

D-Ray

Right. So, Soros supports the Democratic Party and institutions connected to it. He also supported anti-Communist efforts in Eastern Europe during the Cold War. Spent hundreds of millions of his own money fighting despotic single party regimes who enslaved their own workers.

Maybe there's something he's trying to tell us?

Dave

[piece-itpete]

Blue, I don't think it's as nefarious as all that. The left keeps saying we can't create democracies. So, what then? To expliot natural resources there has to be some stability, I mean you have to keep roads open.

And the petty dictators that controlled much of the ME throughout history were MUCH less enlightened than the petty princes in Europe, the peasants there had it even worse. Long before the US came around.

Pete

[BlueStreak]

I think what the "left" is saying is that we can't force democracy on people. They have to want it.

And, I think "it" is as nefarious as all of that. What's the first things you here about when some ME country starts experiencing a rebellion, Pete? "What's this mean for us and the price of oil?" A legitimate question to be sure. But it also has interesting connotations historically.

Dave

[piece-itpete]

I see the popular uprising a number of years ago in Iran worked out well. Times change. Perhaps now things will get better for those unfortunate people.

The reason rebellion drives up the price of oil is unstability, uncertain supply, not because they'd try raising the price of oil.

I'm not saying we've been saints btw

Pete

[piece-itpete]

Oh and, our installation and support of those wonderful dictators was a public enterprise

Pete