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02-04-2011, 03:41 PM
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You're just jealous because you don't have a Nobel AND an Oscar.
I'm jealous because I don't have a 2,000 SF houseboat with biofuel marine diesels. It's difficult for me to save the world in my 17 footer.
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No to mention, grow a much better beard than myself also.
I don't even have a boat. I think I would like to combine the carbon footprints of myself with 10 of my closest friends/family and compare the total with AL's some day.
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02-04-2011, 03:55 PM
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Manmade or not, if it's happening there's precious little to be done.
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Maybe, but could you clear up what you mean? I mean, "or not", I get. Probably little we could do about that. But the "manmade" part. Could we not do something about that?
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02-04-2011, 06:20 PM
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Maybe, but could you clear up what you mean? I mean, "or not", I get. Probably little we could do about that. But the "manmade" part. Could we not do something about that?
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No, and it would make no difference if we did, other than we would live in mud huts and grow hemp to wear (and smoke because were were so miserable) as we had all now become Ethiopians.
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02-04-2011, 06:35 PM
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No, and it would make no difference if we did, other than we would live in mud huts and grow hemp to wear (and smoke because were were so miserable) as we had all now become Ethiopians.
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Thanks for telling me what you meant, Pete.
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02-04-2011, 07:26 PM
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No to mention, grow a much better beard than myself also.
I don't even have a boat. I think I would like to combine the carbon footprints of myself with 10 of my closest friends/family and compare the total with AL's some day.
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You don't even own a boat???
How can you even call yourself a Republican without owning one of the most environtmentally unfriendly devices known to mankind???
Haven't you ever seen a Subaru commercial???
I worry about you at times. After all, it is our duty as citizens of the world to live as a serf so that stuffed shirts such as Big Al can fly around it private jets taking credit for saving the planet.
You Sir, are an embarrassment to the powers that be.
But you can appease your concience by purchasing carbon credits...I think Big Al has a few he'd be willing to unload.
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02-04-2011, 08:02 PM
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You don't even own a boat???
How can you even call yourself a Republican without owning one of the most environtmentally unfriendly devices known to mankind???
Haven't you ever seen a Subaru commercial???
I worry about you at times. After all, it is our duty as citizens of the world to live as a serf so that stuffed shirts such as Big Al can fly around it private jets taking credit for saving the planet.
You Sir, are an embarrassment to the powers that be.
But you can appease your concience by purchasing carbon credits...I think Big Al has a few he'd be willing to unload.
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Nope, no boat really.
We do have a 14 foot Alumacraft sitting in the weeds up at the lake though. Thats gotta count for something right? I'm hoping to be sitting on the dock someday and end up selling it to some escaped convict that need to get across the lake fast. Kinda like the scene from the movie Papillon.
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02-04-2011, 08:45 PM
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What I was trying to say is that 'rainfall' is what washed away the soil covering the rocks. We all know that rain on good soil is needed for vegatation so we have to take what mother nature gives us. Did ya'll notice that when a contractor buys a farm in the hills where there's not much flat ground he'll develope and build as many houses as he can on ''the best part of the land''? Heck, why not preserve the nice fertle bottom ground and build on the ridge tops that aint gonna grow a crop or pasture anyways? One day folks'll think about it when they get hungry and find they are living in a house that sits on what used to be a crop field, or livestock pasture that once fed people. Myself, I built on the least useable part of my land and preserved my pasture and garden spot. I'm not to good to park at the bottom and walk up the hillside when it snows.
Thats about my only beef locally as I don't worship the Al Gore theory.
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02-04-2011, 10:38 PM
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But consider for a moment a worst-case scenario. What would happen if all of the Arctic sea ice melted? “Sea level would not rise by so much as a millimeter,” said Lord Christopher Monckton, former U.K. science advisor to Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher. Just as melting ice cubes in a glass of water don’t make it overflow, melting sea ice does not affect sea level.
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A more accurate analogy would be a completely full glass with ice cubes floating above the rim of the glass (just like the glaciers rising far above sear level). As the ice melts in the full glass, the water will spill over, as it can no longer float.
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02-05-2011, 01:10 AM
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A more accurate analogy would be a completely full glass with ice cubes floating above the rim of the glass (just like the glaciers rising far above sear level). As the ice melts in the full glass, the water will spill over, as it can no longer float.
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But those wasn't my words, they were words copy/pasted, supposedly said by a smarter fella than I.
Honestly though, it's not rising waters that worries me. From the story I grew up hearing, .. isn't it fire we sposed to get destroyed by 'next time' ?
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02-05-2011, 04:03 AM
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A more accurate analogy would be a completely full glass with ice cubes floating above the rim of the glass (just like the glaciers rising far above sear level). As the ice melts in the full glass, the water will spill over, as it can no longer float.
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Have you ever tried that? It was parlor magic when I was at school. As long as the ice is free floating and not jammed into the glass, it displaced no more than it's liquid volume. Water up to the rim of the glass, ice cubes with their top surface above the rim of the glass, when it melts it it's got flow over hasn't it? But it doesn't. Same principle applies to the Arctic circle; as long as the only thing supporting it is the water around it, when ice melts the water level doesn't change.
It's just the scale that's different, size doesn't matter
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