Global Warming Sucks

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Combwork

Long ago Britain was literally part of Europe. Now, either by the sea rising or the land level falling, we're an island.

It does seem then that a rise in the ocean's waters may have also had some benefits, unless you'd prefer to speak German.

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by Combwork

Do we take the Dutch approach and build embankments so that ground below sea-level can still be cultivated? Or do we think long term and recognise that a lot of the lowlands will be gone.

We'll get the same folks who built the levees around New Orleans to build them. Uh boy. We're screwed.

[Combwork]

Originally Posted by finnbow

It does seem then that a rise in the ocean's waters may have also had some benefits, unless you'd prefer to speak German.

Or Italian, or French, or anything other than English We don't have to look too far back though. There were humans around when it was still possible to walk from Britain to Europe. It's interesting the way words change. Hardly enyone talks now about Global Warming, the new pc phrase is Climate Change. Much more tenuous, it's lack of a clear meaning means it's very hard to argue about its effects. Why am I bothered? Look how much we're all spending, then follow the money trail................ Cynical moi?

Goddammit, it must be Friday.

[mossbacked]

Originally Posted by Combwork

Or Italian, or French, or anything other than English We don't have to look too far back though. There were humans around when it was still possible to walk from Britain to Europe. It's interesting the way words change. Hardly enyone talks now about Global Warming, the new pc phrase is Climate Change. Much more tenuous, it's lack of a clear meaning means it's very hard to argue about its effects. Why am I bothered? Look how much we're all spending, then follow the money trail................ Cynical moi?

Goddammit, it must be Friday.

You are not cynical in my book, but very astute in pinpointing the real (money grab/power grab) reasons for the rhetoric.

[hillbilly]

The sky isn't falling. Does one ever think about erosion? Where does all the dirt end up when you see rocks in your pasture get bigger every year? Well, I noticed my pond that used to be over ten feet deep is now less than three feet deep do to dirt washing down into it. How can one think that dirt washing into the big blue sea cannot lower the land making it seem like the sea is rising? I see rocks on dads farm that are now sitting on dirt and are the size of cars. As a kid, I remember when those rocks had 'dirt' on them. That dirt washed down the creeks over a period of decades ( that I've watched in my lifetime ). The locals used to plow that same ground with mules and they grew crops there until it 'became' to rocky.

Water expands when frozen, ever notice how cast iron engine blocks split open if they are exposed to the cold without anti-freeze? How about all the pipes that bust open when the temps get nice and cold? It isn't the cold that splits the pipes open .. it is a fact that when water turns to ICE it EXPANDS.

I'm not going to argue the Below as I wasn't there and I didn't see the tree stumps in the ice 'myself', but the above that I wrote myself I do stand behind as I've watched it happen over time with my own eyes.


The below was a long read, so I pasted only part of it.

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But consider for a moment a worst-case scenario. What would happen if all of the Arctic sea ice melted? “Sea level would not rise by so much as a millimeter,” said Lord Christopher Monckton, former U.K. science advisor to Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher. Just as melting ice cubes in a glass of water don’t make it overflow, melting sea ice does not affect sea level.

Monckton is not alone in claiming Arctic ice melt poses no threat. Roy W. Spencer, a former NASA scientist, points out glaciers have been retreating for more than 100 years, well before the dawn of the Industrial Age. “A few retreating glaciers are even revealing old tree stumps,” he writes on his blog. “How did those get there? Planted by skeptics?” Obviously, if retreating glaciers expose tree stumps, then these glaciers could not always have been there and are not shrinking to unprecedented sizes.

Spencer was among 170 scientists from around the world who signed an open letter to the UN Secretary-General prior to the Copenhagen Climate Conference, calling for “convincing observational evidence” to support claims of dangerous AGW. Among the itemized list of alarmist assertions they challenged was “worldwide glacier retreat, and sea ice melting in Polar Regions, is unusual and related to increases in human GHG [greenhouse gas] emissions.” In other words, 170 highly qualified scientists stake their professional reputations that melting polar ice caps pose no threat whatsoever.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index....e-caps-melting

[mossbacked]

As I drive south from (glacially formed) Lake Erie over the relatively flat (glacially scraped) fields of northern Ohio to somewhere around the 100 mile marker (Cleveland is approximately the 0 mile marker) just south of Canton, the flatness ends and the land starts gently rolling.

That's because this is as far south as the last (Wisconsin) glacier progressed, piling up a jumble of the dirt and rock that it pushed in front of its (purported to be 100' thick at that point) sheet of ICE to form what is called a terminal moraine.

Now I wasn't there, but scientists say that glacier started moving south 24,000 years ago, progressed for 10,000 years, and then melted to be completly gone 14,000 years ago. All that was left behind was billions of gallons of water, the world's largest body of fresh water, The Great Lakes.

I'm pretty damn sure man wasn't around burning petrochemcals then, and I don't think Bush was there to pull it off either, but it is possible Al Gore made a pact with the devil and simply opened his mouth with the resulting hot air setting the meltdown into motion.

How do you Global Warming / Climate Change morons explain the last ice age and following melt when no SUV's or evil capitalists were present?

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by hillbilly

The sky isn't falling. Does one ever think about erosion?

Have you ever been to the beach? That sand. Where did it come from? Did you watch the tide come in and go out? I'll leave that for you to ponder.

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by mossbacked

Now I wasn't there, but scientists say that glacier started moving south 24,000 years ago, progressed for 10,000 years, and then melted to be completly gone 14,000 years ago. All that was left behind was billions of gallons of water, the world's largest body of fresh water, The Great Lakes.

lol. 24,000 years ago. Riiiight. We all know the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

Okay, okay. You're right. I've heard that before.

What caused the Ice Age? My understanding is - and I'm talking about ice ages in general, not just the last one that you mention - that the big causes are things like changes in Earth's orbit, tectonic plate movement and changes in the level of CO2 in the atmosphere. So, natural forces can indeed cause an ice age, or more to the point, climate change.

But, here we are. No significant tectonic shift. No massive volcanic activity. No change in Earth's orbit. But it's getting warmer. Why? Changes in level of CO2 have been measured and the results seem to be consistent with what has been recorded in ice cores that date back to the last ice age, but inverse. In other words, less then, more now.

So where is all the CO2 coming from? Well, I guess some people disagree about that. But it seems pretty logical that the tons and tons and tons and tons of it we're putting into the atmosphere may be the cause.

In short, you are right. There are purely natural forces that can cause climate change. We aren't observing any of those changes. But we are simulating some of those natural changes through our actions. And the results seem to be the same as they would be if the causes were natural. Specifically, they are bad. The difference is, we likely could do nothing about tectonic shifts. We can do something about the CO2 we're putting into the atmosphere.

[piece-itpete]

Manmade or not, if it's happening there's precious little to be done.

Pete

[merrylander]

Given the performance of the human race it may well be a good thing.