Which is it?

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by whell

Right. As long as the left can continue to cast aspersions on a particular group or subgroup due to an unrelated event, the facts don't seem to matter....

So, did you help Sarah prepare her victimhood video?

Regards,

D-Ray

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Right. As long as the left can continue to cast aspersions on a particular group or subgroup due to an unrelated event, the facts don't seem to matter....

Good lord, Whell. This is the GOP's stock and trade. Does the "Ground Zero Mosque" ring a bell? I'm hoping you were typing this with your fingers crossed behind your back. Otherwise, you've just confirmed that Republicans don't grasp irony.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Whell, the fact remains that Palin, Bachmann and Angle were all cheerleaders for the 2nd Amendment solution (phrased differently among them). Along of a sudden, a miscreant perceives a politician with whom he has a bitch and he shoots her, demonstrating to the world what a 2nd Amendment solution looks like.

What should the public be doing - continuing to cheer these 3 gals when they allude to the 2nd Amendment solution? No, such demagogues should be shunned. Simple as that.

Provide proof that the shooter paid any attention to any of the individuals mentioned above, and I might listen to any more of this BS. The evidence continues to mount that none of these individuals, nor anything they may have said, influenced the shooter AT ALL. Simple as that.

[whell]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

So, did you help Sarah prepare her victimhood video?

Regards,

D-Ray

Like the shooter, Palin is someone I don't pay much attention to.

[whell]

Originally Posted by noonereal

unrelated event my ass.

This garbage you post infuriates me so be happy.

Take some personal responsibility buddy.

I'm not happy that mounting facts seem to matter little. I can't take responsibility if folks choose to ignore the facts.

[whell]

NYT Article quote: Mr. Gutierrez said his friend had become obsessed with the meaning of dreams and their importance. He talked about reading Friedrich Nietzsche’s book “The Will To Power” and embraced ideas about the corrosive, destructive effects of nihilism — a belief in nothing. And every day, his friend said, Mr. Loughner would get up and write in his dream journal, recording the world he experienced in sleep and its possible meanings.

“Jared felt nothing existed but his subconscious,” Mr. Gutierrez said. “The dream world was what was real to Jared, not the day-to-day of our lives.”

And that dream world, his friend said, could be downright strange.

“He would ask me constantly, ‘Do you see that blue tree over there?’ He would admit to seeing the sky as orange and the grass as blue,” Mr. Gutierrez said. “Normal people don’t talk about that stuff.”

He added that Mr. Loughner “used the word hollow to describe how fake the real world was to him.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/12/us...hner.html?_r=1

Yep, sounds like someone who was certainly predisposed to follow national politics closely, particularly the comments of Palin, etc.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Provide proof that the shooter paid any attention to any of the individuals mentioned above, and I might listen to any more of this BS. The evidence continues to mount that none of these individuals, nor anything they may have said, influenced the shooter AT ALL. Simple as that.

Did you even read my post? I didn't ascribe a cause and effect relationship. All I said is that you can't be a cheerleader for 2nd Amendment solutions and then bury your pom-poms when somebody actually does it, whether or not they even knew you existed.

Isn't a bit like advocating for bestiality and then indicating disgust when you see someone doing it with a horse?

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by whell

I'm not happy that mounting facts seem to matter little. I can't take responsibility if folks choose to ignore the facts.

The only damn thing being ignored here is the fact that the right has campaigned on and rallied the threat of violence and when invoked they claim bloodless hands.

maybe you can provide a hundred links to support your distorted view as usual?

There are consequences to the call for violence and Palin and the right want no part of that responsibility.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Did you even read my post? I didn't ascribe a cause and effect relationship. All I said is that you can't be a cheerleader for 2nd Amendment solutions and then bury your pom-poms when somebody actually does it, whether or not they even knew you existed.

Isn't a bit like advocating for bestiality and then indicating disgust when you see someone doing it with a horse?

Yes, I read it. I've actually read many of your posts. You've framed this issue in a number of ways. You've framed is an a gun rights/gun rhetoric issue:

Originally Posted by finnbow

Do any of you think that for a moment that the GOP along with their operatives and enablers will have a cathartic moment and start toning down their 2nd Amendment reactionary rhetoric? I don't. They will certainly protest loudly against anyone thinking that their rhetoric incites this sort of shit, but they won't halt for a minute.

You've also suggested that the GOP's rhetoric is responsible"

Originally Posted by finnbow

The GOP's strategy of describing Democratic policy positions in existential, even apocalyptic, terms seems to have consequences. However, it's their strategy for capturing the white, middle (and lower) class vote. If a few people get killed in the process, so be it.

Both arguments to me are straw dogs until theres actually evidence that the shooter was motivated by anyone's "reactionary" rhetoric, or was moved by descriptions of Democrat policy in "existential, even apocalyptic, terms."

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Did you even read my post? I didn't ascribe a cause and effect relationship.

No one has but the right is "pulling a Palin" and playing the victim.

Sarah and the right simply suggested gun violence was a way to accomplish political change and it happened so why blame them?