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[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by whell

Explain that to Mr Reid. He was quoted in August as saying, when welcoming the troops home in August, that they played a valuable role in successfully defending American interest in Iraq.

So it appears that your identification of remarks as anti-American consists of political statements with which you disagreed, or diplomatic policy with which you disagreed. That would put you squarely within the Cheney camp of classifying dissent or criticism of foreign policy as traitorous. Ironic that so many on the right were claiming to want to return to constitutional principles, but the most basic constitutional principle such as free speech it considered traitorous when it is not kept within a well-defined political view. That's sad.

Regards,

D-Ray

[whell]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

it is widely agreed that the Stimulus worked and we would be in far worse shape right now had President Obama not done it. In fact, I believe part of the motivation for the compromise deal on taxes and unemployment is to get a second, back door stimulus passed, knowing that another spending measure has no hope.

If the Stimulus worked, then why did we need a second (or is this the 3rd) stimulus? Why is unemployment still sitting above 9%, and why are we extending unemployment benefits if the stimulus bills have worked? Why is Obama compromising on a centerpiece of his campaign - getting rid of the Bush - era tax cuts - if the stimulus bills worked?

[whell]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

So it appears that your identification of remarks as anti-American consists of political statements with which you disagreed, or diplomatic policy with which you disagreed. That would put you squarely within the Cheney camp of classifying dissent or criticism of foreign policy as traitorous. Ironic that so many on the right were claiming to want to return to constitutional principles, but the most basic constitutional principle such as free speech it considered traitorous when it is not kept within a well-defined political view. That's sad.

Regards,

D-Ray

Incorrect, my friend. And don't be sad, there's more. Reid and his comments are just a thread in the tapestry.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Explain that to Mr Reid. He was quoted in August as saying, when welcoming the troops home in August, that they played a valuable role in successfully defending American interest in Iraq.

He's wrong (as was Dubya). We have no national interests there (other than oil).

Originally Posted by whell

If the Stimulus worked, then why did we need a second (or is this the 3rd) stimulus? Why is unemployment still sitting above 9%, and why are we extending unemployment benefits if the stimulus bills have worked? Why is Obama compromising on a centerpiece of his campaign - getting rid of the Bush - era tax cuts - if the stimulus bills worked?

It worked, just not well enough to make up for the mess that Dubya left behind - starting two wars and extending Medicare benefits while cutting taxes and ignoring the warning signs of the mortgage debacle. BTW, he campaigned on getting rid of the Bush era tax cuts for those earning more than $250K. That's exactly what he would have done had the GOP not placed their roadblocks.

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by whell

If the Stimulus worked, then why did we need a second (or is this the 3rd) stimulus? Why is unemployment still sitting above 9%, and why are we extending unemployment benefits if the stimulus bills have worked? Why is Obama compromising on a centerpiece of his campaign - getting rid of the Bush - era tax cuts - if the stimulus bills worked?

Simple. It prevented a depresion. It would have helped more if the first one hadn't had to be cut back. I don't think the Bush-Era tax cuts were the centerpiece of his campaign. He did campaign on middle class tax relief. The deal includes an extension of the stimulus tax cuts, and a reduction in social security withholding, as well as extension of the middle class portion of the tax plan, that he had campaigned on keeping. The GOP was willing to screw up the economy, cost middle income taxpayers thousands of dollars per family, and put unemployed workers out on the street, all so their millionaire buddies got to have their taxes cut.

Regards,

D-Ray

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

So it appears that your identification of remarks as anti-American consists of political statements with which you disagreed, or diplomatic policy with which you disagreed. That would put you squarely within the Cheney camp of classifying dissent or criticism of foreign policy as traitorous. Ironic that so many on the right were claiming to want to return to constitutional principles, but the most basic constitutional principle such as free speech it considered traitorous when it is not kept within a well-defined political view. That's sad.

Regards,

D-Ray

So you've noticed that too?

Kind of like when you offend a Liberals beliefs it's okay because your standing up to "Political Correctness".

Offend a right wingers beliefs and you're "un-American".

Dave

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by whell

'course, that the context of Reid's remarks when he made them, was it?

. His campaign said "Senator Reid’s comment was in agreement with General Petraeus’ assessment that the Iraq War could not be won by military force alone and that a political solution was also needed as part of a two-part strategy — which President Bush refused to pursue.”

Yeah, right. I seemed to have missed the part where Patraeus said "We lost."

Seems to me that "Could not be won" leaves only two other possibilities "Stalemate or lost" or are you really that stupid.

[d-ray657]

Ya know, this all seems less troubling after sitting here for an hour or so with Neil Young playing.

Hello cowgirl in the sand
Is this place at your command
Can I stay here for a while
Can I see your sweet sweet smile

Old enough now to change your name
When so many love you is it the same?
It's the woman in you
That makes you want to play this game.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Charles]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Ya know, this all seems less troubling after sitting here for an hour or so with Neil Young playing.

Hello cowgirl in the sand
Is this place at your command
Can I stay here for a while
Can I see your sweet sweet smile

Old enough now to change your name
When so many love you is it the same?
It's the woman in you
That makes you want to play this game.

Regards,

D-Ray

Sounds to me like Neil just wants to get a nut.

Chas

[piece-itpete]

Bad squirrel! Bad!

Reid's the worst kind of idiot - a smart sneaky one. Perfect for chairing a large international corporation or perhaps leading the Senate. I suspect he was a teacher at Obama's madrassas.

I watch a lot of international news. A couple of days ago I saw an interview with an Iraqi lady. She had brought her kid to a playground.

The modern playground was full of children and mothers, playing. Anyone that thinks things aren't getting better over there isn't paying close enough attention.

Pete