The Israelis have turned into Nazis.

[bobabode]

Never thought I'd see a prog liberal join in with reichwing calling Jews, Nazis'.
smh. I guess the horseshoe analogy is actually true.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

"Yet more" understates it. Their plan for lasting peace is for the Palestinians to all go away.

Does Israel consider the Gaza Strip and West Bank as their own since they captured this territory from Egypt and Jordan from the 1967 war? They sure act like they do.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Never thought I'd see a prog liberal join in with reichwing calling Jews, Nazis'.
smh. I guess the horseshoe analogy is actually true.

I urge you (and all) to read the piece by Israeli historian Lee Mordechai I linked to in post 1 here. A good way to do that (avoids actually opening X) is to read it on the threadreader app. Here's link for that: https://t.co/w1s2cOYXBq

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Does Israel consider the Gaza Strip and West Bank as their own since they captured this territory from Egypt and Jordan from the 1967 war? They sure act like they do.

I can't testify to what is 'considered,' except to note that the pro-settlement right wing has consistently and explicitly said, for decades, that these areas a rightfully part of Israel. And you are of course correct about the policy implemented in action.

[Rajoo]

Here is a PDF version devoid of getting X'ed.

Bearing Witness to the Israel-Gaza War
Lee Mordechai, Historian and Israeli citizen
June 18, 2024 (version 6.0)

https://static.mediapart.fr/files/20...2024-06-18.pdf

I am about a third into it.

[Mark B]

The vile terrorist attack on Israel by Hamas on October 7, 2023 does not excuse Israels continuing mistreatment of Palestinians in Gaza & the West Bank & now the Lebanese.

The majority of Israeli's have supported Netanyahu's anti-Palestinian policies for 20+ years. They have to own that it makes them complicit in the inhumanity being inflicted on their mostly Arab neighbors.

The United States should stop supplying all weaponry to Israel.

[donquixote99]

A particularly pathetic story of the death of numerous people, including a 5-year-old girl, trapped alive in a shot-up car with her dead family. One reading of this is that she was used as bait, so the medics who tried to rescue her could be killed too.

https://news.sky.com/story/im-so-sca...-gaza-13229813

[Enophile]

Really, the true owners of the land are Natufians and then Canaanites.

The trick is to slaughter the previous occupants so completely that nobody from the prior civilization can survive to air grievances or argue against the validity of that next culture claiming that they are the 'true' inhabitants of a land.

I guess "occupation is 90% of the law" is what's actually in play.

I'm pro-Israel, but spare me the sacred homeland stuff. It's modern territorial politics stuff.

[Rajoo]

The war in Gaza and now in Lebanon is Netanyahu's stay out of jail ploy. How many thousands of innocents will die is an open question though I wonder why Hamas and now Hezbollah are lobbing ineffective rockets into Israel, or even attack drones. At this point, Iran is just a sitting duck waiting to be decimated and they will have no sympathy from the Arab or the western world. In the end, this is what Israel was hoping for, their surrounding lands turned into a rubble and inhospitable.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Enophile

Really, the true owners of the land are Natufians and then Canaanites.

The trick is to slaughter the previous occupants so completely that nobody from the prior civilization can survive to air grievances or argue against the validity of that next culture claiming that they are the 'true' inhabitants of a land.

I guess "occupation is 90% of the law" is what's actually in play.

I'm pro-Israel, but spare me the sacred homeland stuff. It's modern territorial politics stuff.

That 'trick' makes for interesting reading as one goes back in time, but grisly horror as one goes forward. Do not want to participate in such bloodletting, not even if it yields some 'geopolitical' advantage to us.

It's been suggested that Bibi and his government had good intelligence about Oct 7, and could easily have stopped the attack. They did not because they wanted 'cause' to cleanse Gaza. Clever policy if true, eh?