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09-26-2024, 04:18 PM
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The definitions are widely available. Look them up yourself. Google is your friend.
As for disinformation, Dezinformatsiya has long been a feature of Soviet/Russian propaganda and they coined the term in the 1920's. And nowadays, we have people like Donald Trump, Tucker Carlson, Elon Musk, and networks like Fox News, NewsMax and OANN spewing it regularly.
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Looks like we are on the same page. Disagree with the powers that be, and your words are "disinformation". Many are trying to push us into an orwellian dystopia, but they failed. Thank God.
But all you are doing is calling out those that disagree with you as sources of "disinformation". That's actually demonstrating the problem I'm talking about. Our founders saw that risk, which is why they gave us the first amendment. It doesn't protect speech that is "agreed upon". Quite the opposite. It protects the speech that, possibly, counters the speech of the "majority". And we've demonstrated recently, that it needs to do that. Look at Canada and the UK. Free speech does not offer the same protections there. It's why more have been jailed for speech in the UK than in Russia. That is abominable.
But as I said, that is being stopped, in part because of the free speech now afforded in places like X. And Truth Social...
Personally, one of the things I really like about free speech is that it gives those with nonsensical beliefs the ability to expose their opinions for the nonsense they are. And that is a very good thing. Good ideas need to percolate to the top while nonsense will collapse of its own weight.
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09-26-2024, 04:22 PM
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The definitions are widely available. Look them up yourself. Google is your friend.
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I did not word my response very precisely. I don't mean the definitions of the word. I mean which speech to which they apply. Two examples:
1. Those claiming the russia interference claims were baloney were labelled as spouting misinformation or disinformation. Yet they have been vindicated, while those claiming it was real are the ones that were sharing mis- and dis-information. Yet many tried to cancel those that thought it was a hoax.
2. Same thing happened with the Hunter Laptop.
We all know what the dictionary definition of the WORDS, mis- and dis-information. I'm talking about what words ARE mis- and dis-information. Some think we need a "ministry of truth". The only person to ever live that could be trusted to head such an agency was hung on a cross over 2000 years ago. Fortunately, he's still alive, but he's dealing with more pressing matters, letting us work this out ourselves, all the while demonstrating in our responses why we need Him.
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09-26-2024, 04:31 PM
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To all it may concerned ...
If by now you still follow this Fascist doom and gloom Cult.
Anything I might say to counter your indoctrination will be a total wasted effort on my part...
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09-26-2024, 05:43 PM
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I did not word my response very precisely. I don't mean the definitions of the word. I mean which speech to which they apply. Two examples:
1. Those claiming the russia interference claims were baloney were labelled as spouting misinformation or disinformation. Yet they have been vindicated, while those claiming it was real are the ones that were sharing mis- and dis-information. Yet many tried to cancel those that thought it was a hoax.
2. Same thing happened with the Hunter Laptop.
We all know what the dictionary definition of the WORDS, mis- and dis-information. I'm talking about what words ARE mis- and dis-information. Some think we need a "ministry of truth". The only person to ever live that could be trusted to head such an agency was hung on a cross over 2000 years ago. Fortunately, he's still alive, but he's dealing with more pressing matters, letting us work this out ourselves, all the while demonstrating in our responses why we need Him.
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Bullshit! The Muller report clearly outlined Russian interference, your opinion notwithstanding. You choose to ignore it, A. G. Barr deliberately distorted the results and lied about them.
You sully Christianity by bringing it into your Cult 45 defense? What a fine sales pitch that is, Mag-a-Lardo Mussolini is indeed the living embodiment of the Sermon on the Mount and the Beatitudes.
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09-26-2024, 09:01 PM
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I did not word my response very precisely. I don't mean the definitions of the word. I mean which speech to which they apply. Two examples:
1. Those claiming the russia interference claims were baloney were labelled as spouting misinformation or disinformation. Yet they have been vindicated, while those claiming it was real are the ones that were sharing mis- and dis-information. Yet many tried to cancel those that thought it was a hoax.
2. Same thing happened with the Hunter Laptop.
We all know what the dictionary definition of the WORDS, mis- and dis-information. I'm talking about what words ARE mis- and dis-information. Some think we need a "ministry of truth". The only person to ever live that could be trusted to head such an agency was hung on a cross over 2000 years ago. Fortunately, he's still alive, but he's dealing with more pressing matters, letting us work this out ourselves, all the while demonstrating in our responses why we need Him.
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You post so much rubbish I'm ignoring you from now on. You are no longer relevant, if you ever were.
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09-27-2024, 08:31 AM
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Shut the doors of our engagement. Like stone.
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09-27-2024, 08:34 AM
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You post so much rubbish I'm ignoring you from now on. You are no longer relevant, if you ever were.
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Welcome to the club
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09-27-2024, 03:14 PM
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You post so much rubbish I'm ignoring you from now on. You are no longer relevant, if you ever were.
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It is extremely difficult to deal with people who do not accept easily verifiable facts. For instance, Trump said this about the NC Robinson's campaign for Governor fiasco, "I don't know the situation". Unfortunately, Trump is too large of a problem to ignore, though I do wish the media did.
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09-28-2024, 02:34 AM
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It is extremely difficult to deal with people who do not accept easily verifiable facts. For instance, Trump said this about the NC Robinson's campaign for Governor fiasco, "I don't know the situation". Unfortunately, Trump is too large of a problem to ignore, though I do wish the media did.
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Hopefully sane Americans will vote in large enough numbers in November, so that we will only ever hear about trump in his many pending and yet to be brought criminal trials.
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My fear being not the turnout of voters, rather the people in charge of counting and certifying key votes will be a factor unable to be ignored or tolerated.
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