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08-21-2024, 11:17 AM
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And yet you did exactly that a few years back when you insisted, against all evidence to the contrary, that Trump had a plan to "repeal and replace" Obamacare and that he would release it in two weeks. I called you out on this and you double-downed repeatedly on Trump's claims that he had such a plan. Well, where is it?
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Laying in the grave with McCain.
By the way, I don't recall ever stating a timetable when the "replacement" plan would be released. You making that part up too?
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08-21-2024, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by whell
Laying in the grave with McCain.
By the way, I don't recall ever stating a timetable when the "replacement" plan would be released. You making that part up too?
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Nope. I recall ribbing you every time Trump said it would be released in two weeks and you repeatedly assured me that it would be and that you were convinced that it would be an effective plan. Eight years later, we still don't have a plan, nor is it even addressed anymore by Trump and his party. Deny it all you want, but you know damn well what I'm saying is true.
BTW, McCain gave his famous "thumbs-down" because the vote was on repeal without a replacement plan as the GOP mantra had promised (i.e., they had no plan). IOW, he felt it important hold the GOP accountable to its promise (for which you now ridicule him).
What's funny is that you are insistent that this race should be about policy minutiae when presidential elections never are. They're about tone and general policy direction and thus far, Trump and the GOP are failing miserably. For them, it's all gloom and doom - America is a shithole country, Democrats are Godless communists, crime is up (when it's down), inflation is out of control (it's 2.9%), the economy is in shambles (the Dow sets daily records), the border is out of control (border crossings are the lowest in years), American manufacturing is suffering (while it's growing).
Meanwhile, Trump is unable to deliver any message other than his ridiculous "American carnage" bullshit along with mindless drivel about windmills, sharks and low flow faucets. Yet, that seems enough for you.
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08-21-2024, 11:44 AM
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Laying in the grave with McCain.
By the way, I don't recall ever stating a timetable when the "replacement" plan would be released. You making that part up too?
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What the fuck is wrong with you, man? "Laying in the grave with McCain."?
We Democrats had very little in common politically with Senator John McCain of Arizona but we respected his service and his great sacrifice in the Hanoi Hilton.
The man is a national hero, you are a scumbucket HR flack not fit to shine his shoes.
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08-21-2024, 02:57 PM
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Any who thinking of then tarnishing McCain in any way of his reputation integrity patriotism and related suffering.
Should be shunned and ignored completely. For they have no, zero redeeming qualities and opinions matter little for have shown the darkness their souls to be.
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08-21-2024, 04:40 PM
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Any who thinking of then tarnishing McCain in any way of his reputation integrity patriotism and related suffering.
Should be shunned and ignored completely. For they have no, zero redeeming qualities and opinions matter little for have shown the darkness their souls to be.
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I distinctly remember this speech like its was made just yesterday.
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We come to celebrate an extraordinary man. A warrior, a statesman, a patriot who embodied so much that is best in America. President Bush and I are among the fortunate few who competed against John at the highest levels of politics. He made us better presidents. Just as he made the senate better. Just as he made this country better. So, for someone like John to ask you, while he's still alive, to stand and speak of him when he's gone, is a precious and singular honor.
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This is what our own President had to say at the beginning of his speech at Sen. McCain's Memorial service. One class act to another and I am not sorry that he lost to Obama, but McCain would have made a great president and he was highly respected by people across party lines.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/bar...cain-s-n905721
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08-21-2024, 04:42 PM
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Laying in the grave with McCain.
By the way, I don't recall ever stating a timetable when the "replacement" plan would be released. You making that part up too?
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But Trump did, said two weeks and we all heard it loud and clear.
With all the daily contortions you perform here, can you even stand up straight?
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08-21-2024, 05:13 PM
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But Trump did, said two weeks and we all heard it loud and clear.
With all the daily contortions you perform here, can you even stand up straight? 
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And he was all in on Trump's promise. I remember very clearly. We went back and forth on it (as you might imagine).
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08-21-2024, 05:28 PM
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Yes. Obamacare is a failure.
Indeed, the folly is looking to the government to provide "solutions" to a health care delivery.
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Several traditionally Republican-leaning states have adopted and expanded Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act (ACA) in recent years, marking a significant shift in healthcare policy across the United States.
States That Have Expanded Medicaid
As of 2024, 41 states (including Washington D.C.) have adopted Medicaid expansion. Some notable red states that have expanded Medicaid include:
North Carolina: Became the latest state to expand Medicaid in December 2023, covering approximately 600,000 low-income residents
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Arkansas: Implemented a unique model using Medicaid expansion funds to purchase private insurance plans
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South Dakota: Voters approved Medicaid expansion through a ballot initiative.
Changing Political Landscape
The shift towards Medicaid expansion in traditionally conservative states can be attributed to several factors:
Economic Benefits: Expansion has been shown to infuse money into rural communities and help prevent hospital closures
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Workforce Development: Some Republican lawmakers view expansion as a way to ensure a healthy workforce, which is crucial for economic growth
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Political Realignment: The influx of working-class voters to the Republican party has influenced the GOP's stance on healthcare issues
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States Considering Expansion
Several Republican-controlled states are now actively discussing Medicaid expansion:
Mississippi: The state legislature is currently considering expansion
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Alabama and Georgia: GOP leaders in these states have shown openness to exploring healthcare expansion options
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Persistent Opposition
Despite the trend, some states continue to resist Medicaid expansion:
Kansas: Republican lawmakers have blocked expansion efforts, despite polls showing majority support among Kansans
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Alabama: While discussions are ongoing, opponents argue that expansion is federal overreach and could discourage work
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Conclusion
The landscape of Medicaid expansion is evolving, with more red states reconsidering their stance on the issue. However, political divides persist in some areas, leaving thousands of residents in the "coverage gap" between Medicaid eligibility and affordability of private insurance. As the debate continues, the potential for further expansion in Republican-led states remains a topic of significant interest in healthcare policy discussions.
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And up yours.
https://www.perplexity.ai/search/red...QxO1TgCz_noyXQ
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08-21-2024, 05:30 PM
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And he was all in on Trump's promise. I remember very clearly. We went back and forth on it (as you might imagine). 
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I remember your back and forth very well especially since in the beginning, I too was opposed to Obamacare until I realized that this is to help those who are not in my situation, whereas I was looking at this as another tax.
And now more and more Red states are adopting this and as Mr. Obama joked, they do not call it Obamacare anymore.
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08-21-2024, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Rajoo
I remember your back and forth very well especially since in the beginning, I too was opposed to Obamacare until I realized that this is to help those who are not in my situation, whereas I was looking at this as another tax.
And now more and more Red states are adopting this and as Mr. Obama joked, they do not call it Obamacare anymore. 
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If they thought running again on "repeal and replace" was a good idea, they most certainly would be doing it. But they've been exposed as total frauds on the issue.
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