Elon Musk started a price war that Tesla can't win

[Dondilion]

EV is ready for prime time. Toyota is afraid of the Chinese. Watch the Chinese increasing threat to the Japanese and South Korean car makers in the non US world.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

EV is ready for prime time. Toyota is afraid of the Chinese. Watch the Chinese increasing threat to the Japanese and South Korean car makers in the non US world.

Japanese car manufacturers in general, Toyota in particular sat out the EV phase because they had a huge installed base of small cars and hybrids. Toyota bet big on fuell cell cars and they are literally out of the market by holding a fire sale on their Mirai. Now all of them are playing catch-up while the Chinese and now the Vietnamese companies are making major inroads into Asia and South America. Now with VW forming an alliance with Rivian (major funding by Amazon), they will put a serious dent into Tesla's worldwide sales.

Hybrids are a kluge and makes no sense to buy one since they are more complicated than basic EV's. Might as well buy a Honda Fit!!!

Dumping of Tesla is mostly due Musk's embrace of the far right while it was the liberal elites who bought his cars and now they are dumping them in droves. I too will be selling my Tesla soon and I seldom drive it.

The migration of EV owners is to the legacy car manufacturers who have a well defined footprint for sales and marketing whereas Tesla is all app based.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Japanese car manufacturers in general, Toyota in particular sat out the EV phase because they had a huge installed base of small cars and hybrids. Toyota bet big on fuell cell cars and they are literally out of the market by holding a fire sale on their Mirai. Now all of them are playing catch-up while the Chinese and now the Vietnamese companies are making major inroads into Asia and South America. Now with VW forming an alliance with Rivian (major funding by Amazon), they will put a serious dent into Tesla's worldwide sales.

Hybrids are a kluge and makes no sense to buy one since they are more complicated than basic EV's. Might as well buy a Honda Fit!!!

Dumping of Tesla is mostly due Musk's embrace of the far right while it was the liberal elites who bought his cars and now they are dumping them in droves. I too will be selling my Tesla soon and I seldom drive it.

The migration of EV owners is to the legacy car manufacturers who have a well defined footprint for sales and marketing whereas Tesla is all app based.

Tesla bumper sticker;
"I bought this car before Elon became an asshole".

[Rajoo]

I got an email from Tesla enticing me to order a new Model 3.

Took the bait and started the order process (pretending of course).
Long Range All Wheel Drive at $34,990.00
So I continued the process declining all options and wound up with a price of $44,130.00 and had a WTF moment.
Now get this, the teaser price of $34,990 was with the Federal tax credit of 7,500.00 (which I knew) and an estimated savings of $5,000.00 from fuel cost over five years.

Must think I am an idiot, why not play it straight and let me figure the final cost?

[Noogies]

"Musk-Trump Interview Sidetracked by Technical Issues"

... this is a tech billionaire?

[donquixote99]

Strike technical, insert legal. The EU has reminded Musk that they have laws requiring very large social media networks to take due diligence to prevent the dissemination of disinformation.

[Chicks]

BMW overtakes Tesla in European EV sales for first time, report says
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bmw-o...155402394.html

BMW reported a 35% jump in sales last month from a year earlier, while Tesla saw registrations fall 16%, the report said.

Lots of folks won't buy a Tesla these days because of their horrific CEO.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Chicks

BMW overtakes Tesla in European EV sales for first time, report says
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bmw-o...155402394.html



Lots of folks won't buy a Tesla these days because of their horrific CEO.

He was first out of the gate with EVs, but now everyone is building them and they have a lot more experience in car manufacturing, sales and service, not to mention reputations for quality. Musk is the new Trump and everything he touches dies.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by finnbow

He was first out of the gate with EVs, but now everyone is building them and they have a lot more experience in car manufacturing, sales and service, not to mention reputations for quality. Musk is the new Trump and everything he touches dies.

I paid an additional $10K for premium interior and leather seats. Premium interior is a joke, everything is plastic, no creature comforts what so ever for its price point of $60K (2018) and worst of all the leather is PU which Tesla fashionably calls Vegan leather.

And now Tesla has even a bigger problem with their uniquely ugly Cybertruck. One has to sign a purchase agreement not to sell it for a year, demand for this vehicle is near zero but more importantly, Tesla is unwilling to take any Cybertruck as trade-in. Big headaches in the horizon for them with thousands of unsold Model 3 and Cybertrucks. Also Model 3 or Y cannot compete in China anymore especially with BYD.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

And now Tesla has even a bigger problem with their uniquely ugly Cybertruck. One has to sign a purchase agreement not to sell it for a year, demand for this vehicle is near zero but more importantly, Tesla is unwilling to take any Cybertruck as trade-in. Big headaches in the horizon for them with thousands of unsold Model 3 and Cybertrucks. Also Model 3 or Y cannot compete in China anymore especially with BYD.

I consider myself somewhat of a gearhead (previous Porsche and Audi Quattro owner) and the Cybertruck is by far the ugliest vehicle I've ever seen. In comparison, the AMC Pacer or the Citroen 2CV look like Italian exotics. Moreover, it competes in a market segment (light truck) that the Big 3 do extremely well. And Musk gets more toxic by the day to the EV customer base. It's truly a shit show.